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For Those Who Wish to Join the Demo Scene?

Sean Cope asks: "I've used a computer for a number of years, now. I've never been interested in programming, but after seeing the link to the demo DVD, my interest is in full bloom. If you were interested in creating a demo, where would you start? What books would you buy? Keep in mind, I've only used a computer for communication, and games up until this point."

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  1. I used to do it by JohnFluxx · · Score: 5, Informative

    I started learning about demo'ing back when it was popular, and done a few basic ones myself.

    But these days it is very hard - watch some of the stuff by siggraph if you want to get depressed by the quality of stuff that is out there.

    On the other hand, it is easy to do stuff that looks nice - even if you have to accept it has been done tons of times.

    My favourite one that I did was when I tried to write a program that simulated how a brain works, with neurons etc. It produced some really wierd graphics.

    In the old days you would have to write most of your routines in asm - although things like denther tutorials were a great help. However these days you don't need to know how to write the fastest putpixel routine. You can use opengl with sdl or whatever rocks your boat.

    So inconclusion, learn a tiny bit about opengl, then start playing about. Try putting coloured squares randomly on the screen - this is quite a nice effect. Then fade it. Then texture the squares. Then make some opaque.

    At really good one to do is the fire effect. Draw a row of pixels at the bottom of the screen in a random mix of red, orange and yellow, then on the row above that, for each pixel average the three pixels below it plus the three pixels that were in that position last frame ago. Draw the frame, then regenerate the bottom row randomly.

    Play!

    1. Re:I used to do it by JohnFluxx · · Score: 5, Informative

      Yet again replying to myself..

      A good way to get respect and help from others is to do a nice start up screen for one of the OS games. Take tuxracer and add some nice effects to the start up screen. After all, that is how the demo scene started. It lets you learn, be appreciated, and have your results last a lot longer than most demos.

  2. Understanding by e8johan · · Score: 5, Informative

    First, you should try to understand how computers work. There are many great books on the subject, but I find older tutorials just as informative. For graphics I would recommend the PCGPE, at least the VGA tutorial.

    You also need to learn to program. This is done on two levels, first you learn one language, but when you try your second you will see the similarities and thus learn programming, and apprechiate the languages as tools (at least that is the ideal case). I would start by using C or perhaps C++ as these are the most commonly used languages today (they are however not the easiest languages, and for example, pointers require a good understanding in how a computer works). I would recommend Steven Prata's book on C (I don't remember it's title, but try amazon). For C++, just try Bruce Eckels homepage, he has lots of free books on line (google for Bruce Eckel).

    The you will probably need a library that removes all the fuzz from programming, such as hardware details (you still need to understand the hardware though!). I would recommend SDL (www.libsdl.org) for general game/demo programming. But also directfb, if you intend writing software for Linux only. For applications I would recommend Qt (www.trolltech.com), a great UI/portability toolkit, but I have to mention GTK+/GNOME too (to avoid being hit by flames from their fans).

    A general tip is that knowledge pays. Read as much as you can, howtos, tutorials, books, articles, etc. and try to understand it. If you see how things work, you will soon become a great programmer. It helps if your attitude is "difficult you say? I like challenges!".

    A final warning, programming can be concidered a drug. It easily eats much of your spare time!

  3. I have a question, too... by Sabbath.sCm · · Score: 4, Funny

    How do I become a hacker??

  4. Just start making demos by Basje · · Score: 5, Informative

    I was in the demoscene a long way ago (cbm64). The demoscene wasn't really seperated from the warez scene (then called swapping, exchanging floppies by snailmail :), so I will not call names.

    The way to get into the scene is much the same as you get into any scene. Just do it.

    1. Start making demos, simple demos, learning all the way. Do not expect to be top dog next month. Rather try to do a little better every time. Be critical. Add detail step by step. If you're a coder, empasise on that. If you're a designer, make graphics. Develop a neccessary skill.

    2. Meet people. We've got the internet now, so publish your demos to a website. Most feedback you get will be negative. Don't be put off, but value all feedback to it's merits. Try to get more info. Try to get in contact with people that have skills you don't have. Cooperate.

    3. Do not bitch. You do not have to help everybody, but behave normal. You will not have to be 733t. The less you piss people off, the easier you're going to get respect. Pissing off people sometimes seems the norm in the scene (or so it was one time. I suspect not much has changed). Don't be put off by it.

    Hope this helps

    --
    the pun is mightier than the sword
  5. self taught by sir_cello · · Score: 4, Informative

    Most demos/intros/scene productions are developed by self-taught 'coders', involving: - reverse engineering of existing demos / intros / etc; - gradual mastery of production through multiple repeated attempts; - reference books (algorithms, language reference, machine reference); - sometimes brain-smashing with other coders; One of the key features of a good demo/intro is the way that it pushes the machine somehow, by particular use of machine features (undocumented hardware features, novel algorithms [self modifying code, runtime code production, novel graphics algorithms, etc]). Basically, the better demos cause you to marvel in wonder somehow. There's also a need for an art/design element as well - good composition, structuring, arrangement of music, graphics, etc. Often you get this from a collaboration of a group (coder, grafician, musician, etc) more than one lone coder. I should know, I used to produce demos/intros in the C64 scene many years ago. I suspect the same culture lives on into PC/playstation/etc. The difference is the level of power available, and perhaps being able to use higher level tools. Anyone in the scene would treat so called 'games' or 'demo programming' books with horror and run a mile. Typically such books are aimed purely at trapping wannabe demo makers / coders and aren't really that useful. The advice is: look at existing demos/intros, start making your own, your first productions will possibly be not very good: improve, try again. If you are clever/intelligent/capable, then within a few iterations you'll start producing world class. Timeframe: 2 years.

  6. The Top Ten Things to Do to be in Demoscene by aburnsio.com · · Score: 5, Funny
    First, you can't be older than 13, or at least can't act older then 13. Having any of the following will immediately disqualify you: wife, kids, or a job where you have to wear shoes.

    Second, you must be M3G4 31337 and learn to substitute numbers and punctuation symbols when typing words. Massive use of abbreviation helps.

    Third, you must have large quantities of pizza and cola nearby at all times. Purchased, of course, with a credit card "borrowed" from an IRC buddy.

    Fourth, you must have no life outside of the demoscene, lest you become unable to dedicate every waking late-night moment to the demo group.

    Fifth, you have to wear imitation Matrix-style sunglasses and a long black overcoat. Intersperse conversation with constant quotes or references to the movie.

    Sixth, you need to have visions of morphing faces and twisting landscapes and generally be pretty freaked out. Drugs can help, but if you're a true demoscene natural you've been born this way.

    Seventh, you have to be able to accomplish in two lines of code what most programmers take 200 lines of code to do, provided that of course no one else but you can understand those two lines of code.

    Eighth, you have to have friends with names like RandomOooze and TwistedNemesis. None of your friends have street addresses, and you've only seen them in person in dark chambers with hundreds of monitors in some non-descript European city.

    Nineth, you have to have at least several IRC buddies in Finland, Norway, and Germany. Preferably at least one of them is currently wanted by Interpol.

    Tenth, you have to constantly brag about impressive adventures with your girlfriend. She must be imaginary or reside somewhere far away, such as Canada.

    If you can do these top ten things, you will truely be part of the demoscene!