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Seagate Barracuda V Serial ATA Drive Reviewed

Mike Parsons writes "Andrew and Adam over at Explosive Labs have a nice review up on the Seagate Barracuda V, one of the first production Serial ATA drives. Keep in mind, Generation 1 of Serial ATA was not meant to be a 'incredible performance jump.' Rather, its intended purpose was to make the industry transition seamless to allow time to mature the future generations of SATA. Generation 2 and 3 of SATA show more promise for those interested in performance, as white papers behind them gives you the nice fuzzy feeling for speed!"

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  1. 2 questions about hot-swap by Libor+Vanek · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I couldn't find out nowhere answers to this 2 questions:

    - does ALL SATA adapters + disks supports hotswap?

    - does SATA under Linux support hotswap?

    And yes, I know www.serialata.org ;-)

  2. Is anybody WORRIED about this? by WIAKywbfatw · · Score: 4, Insightful

    OK, I'm not a luddite, I understand that progress is a Good Thing (TM) but am I the only one getting dizzy at the speed at which the hard disk drive industry seems to be moving?

    In the last five years, typical hard disk drive sizes have increased more than ten-fold, transfer speeds have shot up too and prices have come right down.

    The net effect of all these factors is that HDDs have now become commodities and many manufacturers - put off by both the shrinking profit margins available and the high investment costs of developing the next generation of drives - have left the business.

    There are now only four major players left, and all of them are doing whatever they can to maintain profitability. Cranking up volume only works so far - there are only so many customers out there, especially in today's economy - so manufacturers have looked to cut costs elsewhere.

    Two critical areas that seem to have taken a major hit are quality control and warranties. More and more drives (and in some cases, entire drive families) seem to be failing at every given opportunity. Meanwhile, the length for which they're covered has shrunk back from (typically) three years to the minimum one.

    Sure, at the high-end, speed will always be appreciated, but how many of us run render farms?
    The market is near-saturated (not everyone needs 200GB or even 20GB, because not everyone is a MP3/MPEG/whatever addict) and that situation isn't going to change any time soon.

    I would be much happier with an industry that still has some real competition and offers customers reliable, well-supported products in five years time than one that has breakneck-speed products from top to bottom but which break down every five minutes.

    For 99% of users, data integrity is the holy grail and everything else comes a distant second. I wish manufacturers would remember that.

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    1. Re:Is anybody WORRIED about this? by AlecC · · Score: 4, Insightful
      For 99% of users, data integrity is the holy grail and everything else comes a distant second. I wish manufacturers would remember that.

      Everybody says that with their mouth, but not with their wallets. When it comes to buying disks, people lok at Gb and average access time, and by the drive with the best combination of these. A few may worry about heat and noise. But people don't actually pay for reliability.

      People who actually want reliability buy Scsi. The premium cost of Scsi drives is nothing to do with the interfaces - it is enchanced performance and reliablity. Check the warranty lives - IDE down from 3 years to 1 year, Scsi steady at 5 years. The manufacturers are trying to tell you something.

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  3. Reinventing the wheel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful
    It's really sad to see everybody on a tech site like Slashdot cheering for a "new" technology that has, in fact, already existed for a long time.

    Firewire. IEEE1394.

    You can get Firewire hard drives right now. You don't have to wait for them. You can get Firewire enabled motherboards right now, too. Nice round, thin cables. Nice hotpluggable connectors. Faster transfer speeds (Firewire2 will leave SATA in the dust).

    1. Re:Reinventing the wheel by Gothmolly · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Except that the platters aren't any faster. The kind of connector you use is meaningless, if the disk can't feed you data faster. Give me a spinde which can kick 50MB/sec across the whole disk, and I'll start to care about the I/O it uses.

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    2. Re:Reinventing the wheel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      ahh.. the better technology always loses.. like the betamax VHS battle..

      firewire is so.. last year.. who cares that it's a universal bus standard.. and that its fast.. and that it works..

      s-ata is better because... because.. it's new.. thats it.. it's mostly vapourware.. so it has to be better.. :rolleyes:

      Isn't the preferred raid storage system on RS/6000's SSA? (Serial Storage Array)

      This is nothing new..

      wake me when you can get solid state memory for less than a slow mechanical device.

    3. Re:Reinventing the wheel by MikeBabcock · · Score: 2, Insightful

      USB 2.0 is slightly faster than firewire (480Mb instead of 400Mb) but firewire has 800, 1600 and 3200Mb speeds in the pipe, as I understand it, for 2003. Even 400Mb/s is only 50MB/s and not the 133+ that serial ATA calls for. However, Firewire is peer-to-peer and therefore won't (ever?) get support from Intel because Intel likes technologies that are tied to CPUs (go figure). USB is host-based; you must have a computer to run it and so is Serial-ATA. With Firewire (also known as i.Link to Sony), you can connect an i.Link video camera to an IEEE 1394 hard drive and record to it; its really that simple.

      If half the money that went into serial ATA went to realizing that IEEE 1394 could be improved to higher speeds, leaving consumers with one generic high-speed interconnect, we'd all be happier I think.

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  4. Re:15-Pin Power Connector? by uradu · · Score: 3, Insightful

    > 15-Pin Power Connector? What's all that about then?

    That's what I thought, too, when I first saw the new connectors. It seems we're trading huge data and slim power connectors for slim data and huge power connectors. Why didn't they take this opportunity to move entirely to 5V drives, just like notebook drives, and have a single power connector? Yeah, they'd have to design entirely new drives rather than just slapping on new drive electronics, but it took long enough even as it is, so they might as well have.

  5. Re:New power connector? by ottffssent · · Score: 4, Insightful

    > why new?

    Hot-swap. The ground connectors are longer than the power connectors. This grounds the drive's electronics before power is applied - prevents potential differences from destroying delicate parts.

    > why not old Molex?

    Friction-fit Molex power connectors suck. Just ask anyone who has used one more than 5 times.

    The new SATA power and data connectors allow the drive to be hot-swapped with a minimum of extras. The drives can be slid into protective cases or hot-swapped bare - a vast improvement over the bulky boxes required for current parallel IDE drives to achieve even warm-swapping.

  6. Re:What about USB? by karnal · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Find me one disk that can push more than 40-50MB/sec and I'll give you a cookie.

    So, Serial ATA would be faster, if the disks were faster.

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  7. Playing with SATA by Deton8 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm playing with my first two SATA drives, and one thing I find very careless is that the connectors are very easy to knock off the drives. This is not a problem for me as I am designing a RAID box where they slide in, but for a PC, somebody is going to have to add detents or friction locks to these connectors or we are in a world o' hurt. By the way, my IBM SATA drives have the conventional Molex 4 pin power connector for legacy PC applications which you can use instead of the SATA power connector. Seagate was too lazy to put one on their drive, or maybe they need the 3.3V input on the SATA power connector which is not provided for on the Molex connector which is only 5V/12V. Oh, and one other thing, SATA 2.0 phase 2 which will be 300 MB/s won't help at all with performance until and unless the drives go past their present 50 MB/s native transfer rate. Hell, the 150 vs 133 vs 100 agrument of SATA vs PATA is silly when you consider the modest speed requirements of the drives being built today. Raw transfer rate only appears to be increasing 25% per year anyway, so it will be years before we even give a damn about the 150 MB/s "limit".

    1. Re:Playing with SATA by Deton8 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Forgot to mention that the 300 MB/s stuff in SATA 2.0 is actually useful for another reason, when this becomes available you will be able to use SATA outside the box, and run a single 300 MB/s link to a port expander chip inside a external chassis, which will in turn connect to a bunch of 150 or 300 MB/s disk drives. So when you aggregate five to ten drives, the extra performance headroom is necessary.

  8. I'm MUCH more worried about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    ...rapidly, all of a sudden there won't be any any "legacy" IDE ATA100 or 133 drives available and all there will be is SATA drives with mandatory hardware DRM built in.