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Mobile Phone Abuse and AbUsers

Doctor Hu writes "The Economist has a story ("Think Before You Talk") describing a new range of mobile phone prototypes designed by Ideo to discourage antisocial usage - devices ringing in concert halls, loud proclamations that the caller is on his way home, etc. The first of the series uses electric shocks to condition the user to talk at a non-intrusive level; the others are similarly ingenious. Not intended to be commercially produced, just to provoke discussion (and provide publicity for Ideo, presumably). Nice comment at the end from one of the designers that for devices like mobile phones, "user-centric" design needs to take the needs of people nearby the user into account as well."

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  1. Re:First Ammendment by ShavenYak · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The First Amendment isn't there to give you the right to be obnoxious, it's there to ensure you have the right to express your views without fear of government censure. If your intepretation were correct, noise ordnances would be unconstitutional.

    People forget the lesson of the man who died on the cross to preserve the American way of life.

    Oh, silly me. I thought you were serious until I read this part. Still, there are people who do think the First Amendment gives them a legal right to be annoying bastards, so I'll post this reply anyway, even though IHBT.

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  2. How about... by Whispers_in_the_dark · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... setting up licensed cell-phone free zones (such as concert halls etc) where phones cannot ring. The zones could have a small very low-power transmitter/scrambler that would inform/interrupt the cell phone so that it just wouldn't ring in those areas.

    1. Re:How about... by filmsmith · · Score: 4, Insightful

      While that's a nice idea and I'm in favor of it, it's still a sad state of affairs when we need to enforce what should be proper ettiquite.

    2. Re:How about... by david.given · · Score: 5, Insightful
      ... setting up licensed cell-phone free zones (such as concert halls etc) where phones cannot ring. The zones could have a small very low-power transmitter/scrambler that would inform/interrupt the cell phone so that it just wouldn't ring in those areas.

      A better solution than just blocking everything would be to set up a microcell inside the theatre/concert hall/etc. Any calls to a phone inside the microcell get routed to the theatre/auditorium/whatever's reception, where a message can be left. If it's a genuine emergency, the message can be forwarded on.

      I gather this is actually possible, but I don't know why no-one's tried it.

    3. Re:How about... by Peyna · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't have too much of a problem if your phone rings in a theatre, or a classroom or whatever; so long as you either then realize your mistake and turn off the ringer and answer the call later, or take it out in the hallway. It just bothers me when people have to answer the phone in class or whereever they are, rather than moving to somewhere that won't bother everyone else.

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    4. Re:How about... by Chasuk · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Sorry, no. Cell phones haven't existed for that long, and somehow people managed without them before their invention. They aren't a necessity, yet, for anybody, they are a convenience.

      My teenage daughter has a cell phone, and I certainly rest easier knowing that she can call me at any time, day or night, regardless of her location, but she, like the millions of young women before her, could live without one. Many are the times that her cell phone has come in handy, but a necessity it is not.

      A cell phone is like any other appliance: once you condition yourself to its use, you can't imagine not having one, but somehow you managed before, and could manage again. So the fat woman at the grocery store who just has to gossip with her friend while trying to write a check and neglecting to bag her groceries, the cell phone might be vital for her social life, but a pain in the ass for all of us who wait behind her.

    5. Re:How about... by DickBreath · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah, you'd get into legal problems otherwise. What about doctors who have to be callable by their patients in case of emergency?

      This argument does not fly. I have a diabetic daughter, and know something about medical emergencies.

      In case of emergency, you call 911, NOT the doctor. An EMT and ambulance can be there very quickly. (I have two test cases of experience to draw on... 3 minutes to my front door, and at grade school, faster than both me and mom could even get to the school.)

      As for calling the doctor, it is a NON emergency. You call, and get either a nurse or answering service. The nurse, if available, may solve your problem directly. The doctor is paged and then calls you. (This means, she could step out of the theatre into the lobby.) Return call times vary. Usually takes a few minutes. Calls of this nature would be for medical questions or changes in medication dosage, etc.

      When the doctor is "on call", they know this in advance. They know what hours and shifts they are on call. I'm sure they plan accordingly as to cell phone and pager use.

      Finally, doctors generally rely on pagers. Not cell phones. Pagers have fantastic in-building penetration and coverage area where cell phones do not always. If you MUST be reachable when your Linux box detects that your Windows server has crashed again, then a pager is the thing to have.

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  3. Re:Cell Phones while Driving... by AmigaAvenger · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Agreed this is a start, but the problem isn't holding onto something, try going down the road holding the phone up to your ear. For the most part, people only have/need one hand on the wheel anyway.
    The dangerous part is the lack of concentration. Handsfree adapters don't help this, if anything, make it worse, people have a subconscious tendency to look at the source of the audio when speaking...

  4. Talking in public by the_Bionic_lemming · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I can understand the frustration when folks talk in a movie theater during the show, or in an art gallery. At those times it should be right to express frustration and tell them to STFU (if they are or are not using a cell phone it doesn't matter).

    But a grocery line? A bus? A train? What the hell is wrong with using a cell phone there?

    I mean really - I never saw a parent staple their annoying brats mouth shut to stop it from yammering about how it wants that candy bar by the cash register - I don't see people duct taping their mouths on a train instead of conversing.

    If a cell phone user keeps it quiet, what the hell is the problem?

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  5. Re:Here's an idea... by Darth+Maul · · Score: 5, Insightful

    > If someone is bothering you with their
    > cell phone chatter in a place such as a
    > movie theater...

    How about just tell the person they're bothering you? What's wrong with us here in the US that we can't confront anyone anymore? Everyone has to just pretend that everyone is nice all the time, then of course talk about these people behind their backs.

    Just say something! You're not being rude; you're alerting this person to the fact that they are out of place in what they're doing. We'll all be better off.

    Yeah, I hate passive agressiveness.

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  6. Re:This was moderated "insightful"? by Wakko+Warner · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why not ask first, call the usher second? They're clearly breaking the rules of the theater ("No Talking" is displayed rather prominently on the screen before each and every movie I've ever seen.)

    Instead of taking the law into your own hands, vigilante-asshole style, just get the fuckers kicked out. It's a much more satisfying feeling, and the chance you'll get your ass kicked severely is much lower. Also, you'll be acting much less like a 12-year-old.

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  7. the problem isnt the phone.. by Maeryk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It is the user! Zapping the annoying Cell phone user in the theater wont stop them from A) letting their annoying screaming child run amok during the movie B) chatting at normal volume with the person next to them C) loudly snoring D)
    being generally obnoxious with their squeaky straw or nearly empty soda.

    We went to my son's 4th grade chorus recital last night. The family perched behind us A) let their 3? 4? year old child spend the entire half hour screaming to his (presumed) relative on stage, they carried on a conversation that came out louder on my camcorder than the singing, and when the kids did "hard knock life" with the snapping part, they got into a rampant (and loud) discussion of how to snap, and proceeded to practice throughout the rest of the show.

    Yes, I politely asked them to quiet down. No it didnt do any good.

    Its not the phone, its the jerk using it, and those same jerks have ALWAYS A) worn hats to theaters, B)jammed their knees into your seat (partially the theaters fault for building seats for 5' 100 lb people) and C) insisted on sitting dead center in a row of people and getting up three times during the movie.

    I would much prefer the devices be in the SEATS and controlled by a consensus of people in the theater.

    Maeryk

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  8. Re:Does it... by Mantrid · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Seriously, there should be laws saying that all cellphones can operate in vibrate-mode only if in any public place."

    Seriously? SERIOUSLY? You think we need *more* laws for stupid crap like this? What is your justification? Because it annoys you? That's a justification for a new law? A noise made in public? What's next laws against talking in public? After all that might just annoying someone else - so they should be forced to write notes to each other, or work out a serious of winks and body groping or something.

    WTF, I can't belive that there are truly people that stupid in this world. It truly boggles the mind. I can only hope that you're a troll...please tell me your just a troll...

  9. actually by _avs_007 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    For the most part, I'd say the accidents that were "caused" by cell-phone users were not "caused" by cell phone users. It may have been a corollary, but not a causality. They were caused by morons. Just because you are using a cell-phone doesn't make you a danger. Its the moron that's a danger. Doesn't matter if he has a cell phone, cuz these are the same people I see on my way to work who:

    Put make-up on while driving, looking into rear-view mirror whole time, instead of where they are going.

    Shave while driving.

    Floss while driving, steering with knees.

    Has kid sitting in lap, steering the car for them, while driving.

    Holding a drink in one hand, Big Mac in the other, and steering the car with their knees.

    Reading the newspaper while driving.

    Reading a Book while driving.

    Head turned around, scolding their kids in the back while driving.

    Drops cigarette in their lap, and are franticly searching for it, while driving....

    etc, etc, etc...

    PS: Who the hell looks at their cell phone while they are talking? I don't know about you, but I can't see my ears....

  10. Technological Solutions to Social Problems... by gidds · · Score: 3, Insightful
    ...just don't work. We've seen that with attempted copy prevention on CDs, we've seen it with attempts to fight spam, we've seen it with speed cameras, and a hundred other eexamplse.

    These technological solutions are blunt instruments; they prevent some valid (legal and/or moral) use, and they don't prevent some invalid use. Regardless of the morality of applying such blanket solutions, they simply don't solve the problem, even though they may help to mask the symptoms in some cases.

    The problem of inappropriate mobile phone use is little different from that of people speaking to each other loudly, playing digital watch tunes, or any other disruptive activity. As many others here have said, the problem isn't the phone; it's the user who allows the phone to sound and/or takes a call at such a time. It's entirely possible to set most phones so that the ring tone starts silently and slowly increases in volume; combined with a vibrating alert, I usually answer my phone (or reject the call) before anyone else was aware it was ringing. If only most other users applied similar consideration, I doubt options like this would be considered for a moment.

    The bottom line is that you can't force people to be considerate/moral/caring, neither with technology nor with the law. People must want to behave like that.

    Here endeth the lesson.

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