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Beyond Eldred v. Ashcroft

I thought I'd grab up some of the many commentaries and responses to the Eldred decision. If you read only one of these links, see Lessig's blog. Jack Balkin, another law professor who contributed to the case, is discussing it in his blog. The NYTimes has two distinct news stories on the decision (NYT1, NYT2), plus a biting editorial about the decision. Copyright scholar Siva Vaidhyanathan has a piece in Salon. The LA Times posts one of the very few stories to present the decision in a positive light. Reason is one of several to mock the mouse.

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  1. What really boggles the mind by Eccles · · Score: 4, Interesting

    What boggles the mind is how little this really benefits the corporations. With rare exceptions (Snow White, Happy Birthday, and Gershwin), what percentage of content revenues come from old material? For record companies, a good year comes from a big hit created that year, not the old stuff.

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  2. Benefits of Public Domain by iiii · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I was thinking about this case, and realized, if there is one company that has made a lot of money from public domain stories, it is Disney. Think about it, what is the origin of the stories in "Snow White", "Sleeping Beauty", "Beauty and the Beast", "Cinderella", "Aladdin"? These are all stories that are in the public domain, most of them fairy tales that appear in "The Brothers Grimm Household Tales" among other collection. "Tarzan" is in the public domain. "Treasure Island", "The Sword in the Stone", "Robin Hood"?

    When your really think about it, the fact that they are trying to prevent stories from enterring the public domain is even more hypocritical.

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    1. Re:Benefits of Public Domain by stratjakt · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The shorter list would be truly original Disney animated features.

      I'm being serious. This is a company that built it's empire simply rehashing other people's stories.

      Let me think.. Ummm...

      Lilo and Stitch
      The Fox and the Hound
      Aristocats
      101 Dalmations
      Bambi
      Fantasia (in a new artwork for old music kind of way)

      thats all I got

      I'm sure there are a few live action or cartoon shorts that are original works.

      Try and make a feature length cartoon about the Hunchback of Notre Dame or the Jungle Book and see how long till Disney is threatening you with C&D orders and lawsuits. That's what really burns. It's as much about stealing our culture as it is about 'protecting' their IP.

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  3. Why Copyrights Must Die by argoff · · Score: 4, Interesting

    1st off, the moral and historical foundation of property derives from the fact that not everybody can use something at the same time, not from monopolies granted by a king in return for not publishing bad things about the monarchy

    2nd, copyrights are a fraud in that they don't help creators that much. Often you'll hear it cried from the rooftops that the artist is king and that anybody who finds a need to copy is a self centered brat that offers nothing of value to society. Perhaps this is intentional as to distract from the fact that for every artist that makes it big, 10000 are in dirt poverty.

    3rd, they are worthless as a free market property right. If I said I had no incentive to grow apples unless I could plant them in your yard, or I said that I had no incentive to grow cotton without owning slaves on the plantation - people would see it as the worthless arguments that they are, but if I say I have no incentive to bring things into the public domain without a copyright monopoly - they just take it on faith, they don't even question it. If the govt gave someone a monopoly on growing peaches and then called it free market because he could buy and sell shares of that monopoly - people would see it for what it is, a fraud. The same is true with copyrights. Since peoples activities have a natural limit in supply and demand, and not information, it is the activities that should be equated to market value and not information.

    4th, information is so easy to copy and manipulate that we are quickly reaching a point where either all of it must be controlled or none of it. The copyright industries know that and so should you.

  4. On to Golan v. Ashcroft! by Royster · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The "other" CTEA challange is Golan v. Ashcroft which has been on hold while Eldred v. Ashcroft was being decided.

    The CTEA took some works which were previously in the Public Domain in the US and restored their Copyright. Golan, a conductor, lost the use of some compositions which were formerly in the PD in the US. This case will now procede.

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  5. Re:The LA Times Article by thatguywhoiam · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I agree, it was sickening, and brings to light a certain point about copyright that always sticks in my throat... Copyright continuing on to relatives.

    I've had some brushed with asshole IP a few times in my travels. Notably, I once worked on a set of commercial CD-ROMs for some classic rock bands. We had a spectacular - nay, epic - struggle with Jimi Hendrix's sister, who for all intents and purposes lives off the ghost of her dead brother. She has all rights, and doesn't actually *do* anything. Long story short, we spent weeks and weeks bending over backwards, crossing and dotting all letters, only to have her change her mind at the last minute.

    Another example: Grateful Dead. There are exactly 2 approachable sources for interview footage of Jerry Garcia: the BBC, and Some Guy in the States. Some Guy purposefully bought up all this footage, and now that's his job. He lives off Jerry's ghost.

    Even if you are the rightful descendant/heir to some great artist, I don't, in my opinion, think you have the slightest shred of 'rights' to that work. None. Son, daughter, whatever. The only cocnession that makes sense is a wife/partner, and even then it just seems unjust. The LA Times article crowed about how this woman can now 'lovingly restore' her ancestor's works at her own personal expense, but she's selling tapes on eBay. Better than it dissappearing, but what if she was the one misrepresenting, defiling, or otherwise tainting the name of her ancester? No recourse.

    It just makes no sense to me. Someone tell me why its a good idea to 'inherit' copyrights. If they made a ton of money with those rights, fine, let the children inherit that money. Rights, I don't think so.

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  6. Take it out of petty cash by Forgotten · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What I can never get over is how incredibly inexpensive it is for these companies to massively influence legislation. From another excellent Reason article, linked from that marsupial interview:

    ...the company exploited its connections to get the copyright extension passed. The very day Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott became a co-sponsor of the bill, the Center for Responsive Politics reports, the Disney Political Action Committee donated $1,000 to his campaign chest; within a month, it had also sent $20,000 in soft money to the National Republican Senatorial Committee.

    Say it with me in your best Dr. Evil accent: "One *thousand* dollars!". And from Disney's bank account? Boy, that's gotta smart. For that matter, why are the legislators and parties affected in the least by these paltry sums? They may not be paid huge salaries, but they can't be that broke. If this is all it takes to get laws passed, perhaps all we need to do is take up a collection. Even I can afford $1000 for some juicy bill.

    (The same thing impressed me with the Salt Lake City / IOC scandal - so you can get your own Olympics for a few pizzas now?).