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UFO Evidence From SOHO Satellite
Anonymous Coward writes "EuroSeti is set to reveal during the week of Jan 24-27 National Space Centre in Leicester, UK scientifically sound and verifiable evidence based on observations taken by the SOHO satellite and other satellites that indicate UFOs are present within our solar system. For the past two years, hundreds of extraordinary UFO-like images have been gleaned by a Spanish-based team using two space-based satellites. NASA initially tried to explain the images away as pixel faults, passing meteors or asteroids, etc., but when a European-led consortium presented them with images that clearly were none of the aforementioned, they 'clamped up.'"
I think seti looks for signals outside the solar system. I remember reading that they have some sort of system set up to filter out any signals that don't come from the part os space they are checking.
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Somehow I think there might be another explanation:
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Buyer beware. They're selling stuff. CDs for 15 pounds a pop (~25USD), and tickets for 20 pounds a pop.
:) Significantly less sexy, eh?
Supposedly, you are supposed to be able to view a video interview with some guy, but there are no links to that interview. You've got to buy the CD.
So, "uh-huh".
And let's keep in mind that UFOs are unidentified flying objects. A meteor *IS* a UFO, if it hasn't yet been identified.
In fact, if they have identified it as anything, it's not a UFO any more.
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UFO Mag says there are UFO's around the world and we're supposed to believe them? There is absolutely no evidence that even remotely validates their claims that a bright blur on some SOHO images are UFO's, versus meteors, comets or cometary fragments. They don't even describe what wavelength or anything. I say bull shit now!!! The burden of proof is on their shoulders!
Seeing this type of news on a UFO centric site certainly raises the crap-o-meter, but if in any doubt go and ask real astronomers over at http://www.badastronomy.com
Its a site run be a real astronomer with real scientists there ready and willing to answer questions.
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then you could spend more on arms...
Ok, after the cold war..
No more threats to security, so , well have asteroids that are going to hit the earth...
then 11/09 and hey forget the asteroids, lets go after the Axis of Evil. that should stop people thinking about local issues to much and prevent an uprising of the plebs.
Anyone notice the $600bn over 10 years tax cut Bush gave to the the rich.
And all that 'control freek' legislaion that's been sneeking it's way in.
thank God the internet isn't a human right.
See this link. :)
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More seriously, the first google link is a bunch of eurofolks running seti@home. I seriously doubt that seti@home has generated any pictures of "ufos" in our solar system. The second link is the one above. The third seems to be some crank who regularly gives speeches on "SETV" (the "Search for Extraterrestrial Vehicles") -- he claims to be a "professor", which may be true, as advanced degrees are hardly a prophylactic against insanity.
So, ooh, ahh, some bunch of UFO freaks have announced that some obscure other group (which may or may not also be a bunch of UFO freaks) have proof (proof! At last, real proof! Mwuah-ha-ha-ha-ha!) of UFOs. Geeze, there's news for ya! Guess what, one group or another of UFO freaks has been claiming that they have proof (real proof, see, it's a genuine photograph of a blob, what more do you want, sheesh!) for years. Wake me when someone with a operating brain gets involved.
Frankly, without a little more than this, I'm sticking with Timothy Leary's theory that so-called UFOs are actually human time-travellers from our future astral-projecting themselves back to our time.
I beg to differ.
As I understand the process, it works like this:
Under controlled situations, one heats up an element. General black box radiation will usually suffice, but you typically need to have some weird constraints like using only a single atom as your emitter. Utilizing various methods, such as a laser, you excite the atom such that it emits a photon and an anti-photon (but, remember that a photon is it's own anti-particle, so the quantum pair turns out to be two photons). These photons are emitted in different directions.
By pulsing the laser and the excitation level of the atom, you can emit photons in a morse-code like manner.
Now then, utilizing affects of the Heisenberg uncertainty principle and the Schroedinger Wave equation, the trick is to not 'observe' the photons as they are emitted (else, they wouldn't be observable to the folks you're sending them to on the other side of the galaxy).
Anyhow, assume that these photons travel half way across the galaxy and are 'observed' by some other group. When the photons are observed, the quantum wave collapses, and discrete information is passed from the source of the photons to the observation apparatus. Additionally, if the two photon are emitted exactly 180 degrees opposite of each other, and both are traveling at velocity c, the transmission of data has a theoretical velocity of twice the speed of light.
That is, by calculating the direction of the incoming photon with the measurement apparatus, one can discretely calculate where the other photon is. Due to the Heisenberg uncertainty principle, you loose the velocity information, however, so you know where the other photon is, but don't know how long it took to get there, or how fast it's traveling.
This method of calculation, at the quantum level, is not un-common amongst scientists.
I'm sure I haven't gotten the details exactly right, but this is a basic description of the method.
I'm afraid it doesn't work like that. The "spooky action at a distance" you are referring to has to do with observations, not imposed changes. As soon as you try to modify the particle it will lose decoherence and will no longer be entangled with its partner.
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http://www.ufocity.com/modules/news/article.php?st oryid=3521
Here's a press release entitled: EUROSETI TO REVEAL STARTLING UFO IMAGES AT THE NATIONAL SPACE CENTRE! (yes, all CAPS)
I'm putting it here so you can read it even after the site has been slashdotted.
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From Graham W. Birdsall, Publisher of UFO Magazine (UK)
EUROSETI TO REVEAL STARTLING UFO IMAGES AT THE NATIONAL SPACE CENTRE!
A full-page advertisement in the January 2003 issue of UFO Magazine has generated considerable interest amongst the UFO community. It refers to an event taking place on the weekend of 24-27 January, when some extraordinary satellite images of anomalous objects will be screened at the National Space Centre in Leicester. The screenings will be held on the evenings of Friday, Saturday and Sunday, with each commencing at 7.30pm.
For the past two years, hundreds of extraordinary UFO-like images have been gleaned by a Spanish-based team using two space-based satellites and which defy explanation.
NASA initially tried to explain the images away as pixel faults, passing meteors or asteroids, etc., but when a European-led consortium presented them with images that clearly were none of the aforementioned, they 'clamped up'.
On Tuesday, 7 January 2003, Mr. Mike Murray, one of the founders of EUROSETI, visited the offices of UFO Magazine to conduct a WORLD EXCLUSIVE filmed interview. With his kind permission, that interview - which features a healthy selection of these images - can now be viewed on our website.
http://www.ufomag.co.uk/euroseti.htm
Those wishing to attend the lectures at Britain's National Space Centre in Leicester should book their seat a.s.a.p. with EUROSETI. Tickets are £20.00 each and available NOW!
Note that each ticket holder will receive a FREE CD containing all of the EUROSETI images, including a vast range of computer analysed enhancements.
The EUROSETI ticket hotline number is: 01733 293720
Their website is here. They apparently cater banquets and probably hired out to "euroseti", but there's no press release or news announcement about this on their site.
the scientist debunking the photo says it's overexposure of a planet, not a UFO, and that such things happen frequently with this instrument.
great, by every measure you've posted an excellent link to provide a reasonable explanation for the image.
note that it should be a trivial matter for a reasonably competent scientist look at the date/time the pic was taken, the direction it was pointing, and identify the exact planet beyond any doubt.
when the required info comes out, this will surely happen, exposing the UFO site as a fraud, or not, as the case may be.
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I've gotten precisely those sorts of odd effects when taking digital pictures at night. The camera slows down the "shutter speed" to gather more light, and the slightest jiggle causes really odd effects.
I'd post a link to an example, but I have no wish to have my machine slashdotted! :^)
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There is a lot of confusion with this. When the particles are, as you called, 'a quantum pair' and Alice measures one of them, the other one assumes the same measured value, so Bob also sees the same value. There is no way to transmit information that way, since Alice doesn't know or controls what value her measurement will turn out to be. But, as soon as she measures, both Alice and Bob has the same, totally useless, random piece of information. Well, not useless, you can use this as an encryption key, but that's another story...
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There were also other technical reasons - that part of the spectrum was believed to be one of the most efficient for transmitting through interstellar space.
Aside from the fact that that was what their radiotelescopes were designed to detect (we have a hammer, therefore the problem is a nail)...
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That process is called "Entanglement". Quantum entanglement is the anti-thesis to a seamless-whole universe/existence. Quantum entaglement suggests the possibility of "faster than light" travel. The trick is coordinating all the matter that matters. There is alos the dubious question of whether or not the "traveler" is actually the same person, or just a copy, when he/she arrives at a destination...
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The Scientific American is a great mag for this sort of thing. IANAPP(Particle Physicist) but I really love this stuff.
Up, down, top, bottom, strange, and charm.
The ani-matter stuff they are doing at CERN is outrageous. I hope they dont accidentally manufacture a blackhole or something - sheesh - that would suck. hahaha get it? suck?
Anyway, from the small to the big, from the micro to the macro, there is always the concept of revolutions. Electrons around nuclei. Moons/satelites around planets around suns around galaxies in clusters.
Brian Greene has published some works on sub-atomic string-thoery. Vibrating stings! That is like an orbit when viewed in 2 dimentions.
Speaking of dementia. I gotta go. The pickle needs to be scratched.
CCD effects look like a good bet. If you watch the interview video, you'll see that all the "saucer" shapes line up with the pixel grid of the camera. Funny that.
And then read the SOHO FAQ page and you'll see that it's a known artifact. I'm personally used to CCD artifacts in video cameras, where the design tends to result in vertical lines from bright lights (aka "vertical smear"), but obviously the SOHO CCD design lends itself to horizontal smear instead.
If anyone ever makes a real UFO discovery, it won't be from science-ignorant bozos like these.
In fact, there's a great picture at Science@NASA that shows Jupiter, Venus, Mars, and Saturn all in SOHO's field of view. All with the diffraction spikes at the sides of the planets.
More images with diffraction spikes:
The Finding of Comet SOHO 2002 C4
Hot Shots from SOHO - high bandwidth, but great examples showing that the image at the top of the EuroSeti page is almost definitely a comet
I think it is difficult to talk about the speed of a photon in the rest frame of another photon. This is because any rest frame traveling at the speed of light experiences no change in time. Time stands still. It will travel to the end of the universe and back (assuming it was not annihilated in route) and will never experience time.
This is where your argument breaks down.
This is the same problem with EPR type communcation. I send out two entangled photons. Person C and A measure the polarizations simultaneously, far apart. They know they got the same answer. But how do you use this to send a message from A to C?
Or in less esoteric terms, suppose I can send two letters to people who can't communicate with each other. They know they both got the exact same letter - but how can they use this to tell each other anything? They can't - and hence no information has passed from one person to the other.
It's not wasting time, I'm educating myself.
Most of them are attributable to dust thrown off by the spacecraft itself -- e.g. one of the instruments would close its door, and then another instrument would see loads of moving specks.
Other streaks (like the one at the top of the linked page in the article) are often attributable to cosmic rays (often deliberately mistyped as "comic rays" by my cow orkers) or ionizing radiation from the Sun itself.
The LASCO wide-angle coronal camera often sees stuff moving in strange directions -- most of that is sungrazing comets from the Kreutz family of comets.
I work at the Southwest Research Institute now, and my coworker Dan Durda has done an extensive search through thousands of LASCO images for moving objects that don't fit the pattern of the sungrazing comets -- because he's interested in "vulcanoid asteroids", asteroids inside Mercury's orbit. He didn't find any, but I'm sure that any alien spacecraft jetting through the field of view would have tripped his algorithm.
It's certainly possible that these guys have found something new, but remember that "UFO" doesn't necessarily mean "alien spaceship".
Interestingly enough, SOHO itself registered as a false positive (caught by humans, fortunately) for the earthbound SETI algorithms. It's a strongish radio source that doesn't fit their earth-satellite pattern, since it's sitting at the Earth-Sun Lagrange point.
Yeah, and Paul Davies wrote a paper on how the speed of light has slowed over time. This may or may not break relativity.
There is a remote possibility that we mightn't be able to travel faster than light but that we might be able to increase its speed.
Anyway. Said paper is at:
http://aca.mq.edu.au/lightspeed.html
What are those flying saucer-shaped objects in the LASCO images?
The "funny-looking spheroid" is a typical response of the SOHO LASCO coronagraph CCD detector to an object (planet or bright star) of small angular extent but so bright that it saturates the CCD camera so that "bleeding" occurs along pixel rows. There is a bright horizontal streak on either side of the image, because the charge leaks easier along the direction in which the CCD image is read out by the associated electronics.
CCD stands for charge-coupled detector, and refers to a silicon chip, usually a centimeter or two across, divided into a grid of cells, each of which acts like a small photomultiplier in that an incoming photon knocks loose one or more electrons. The electrons are "read out" by row (fast direction) and column (slow direction), the current converted to a digital signal, and each cell or picture element ("pixel") thus assigned a digital value proportional to the the number of incoming photons in that pixel (the brightness of the part of the image falling on that pixel). This is the same kind of detector as is used in a hand-held video camera, though until recently, the analog-to-digital conversion was left out in consumer devices.
If you point a video camera at a very bright source (say, the Sun), the image "blooms" or brightens all over --- there are so many electrons produced in the pixels corresponding to the bright source that they spill over into adjacent rows and column, perhaps over the entire detector. Better CCD's will "bleed" only along the fast readout direction (a single row), and perhaps a few adjacent rows.
The LASCO and EIT CCD cameras include "anti-bleed" electronics which limit the pixel bleeding around bright sources to less than the full row (and usually no adjacent rows). In the case of a marginally too-bright object, the pixel bleeding will be only a few pixels in either direction along the fast readout direction. Thus, the "flying saucer" images.
A few of the LASCO images that have appeared on the "extraterrestrial" Web sites show much larger and brighter, but still saucer-like features. These images are in fact obtained with the instrument door closed, but with an incorrectly long exposure. The big "saucers" result from massive pixel bleeding along every row of the detector containing part of the image of the "opal," or small diffusing lens, in the instrument door, that is used for obtaining calibration data.
If your correspondents still prefer to believe that the pixel-bled images of planets or bright stars are something else, ask them why the extended part of the "saucers" (i.e., the pixel bleeding) always occurs in the same direction relative to the image --- even when the spacecraft is rolled relative to its normal orientation relative to the Sun.
I think fundamentally that some people have to believe in a higher power, and attribute all "unknown" phenomena to that power. Religious freaks do it all the time, and UFO people are doing the same thing. There has been, to date, no affirmative evidence for the presence of intelligent life having visited our solar system, but that doesn't dampen their spirits a bit.
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