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Ford Shows Off Recyclable Car

Opspin writes "MBDC (who wrote the book Cradle to Cradle) write in their January Newsletter about a Ford Concept Car that includes Bluetooth technology as well as Cradle-to-Cradle design strategies. Read the MBDC press release, and the Ford Motor Company press release."

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  1. Keep the economy going, eh? by kahei · · Score: 2, Insightful


    Just keep buildin' and buyin' and throwin' away... keep the economy ticking over, keep the boys employed, keep suckin' up those natural resources... mm.

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  2. Ugly thing by hether · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I must say that it's a great concept, but my first impression is that the thing is really ugly. I wonder how many people rank the look of their vehicle in the list of priorities for buying. If they do, will the look of this one negatively affect its sales?

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  3. Just what we need by suman28 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In all honesty, how many people do you think actually recycle? Fine, a new disposable environmentally friendly car is developed. But, last I checked, most recyclable items still ended up in trash and ultimately in land fills. I can't imagine what would happen if you could throw away a car that often

    1. Re:Just what we need by insanecarbonbasedlif · · Score: 2, Insightful

      By the way, I'm personally of the opinion that nobody should be driving a car >10 years old. The improvements in emisssions technology and safety have been dramatic, and your old car can be recycled and turned into new ones.

      And how, may I ask, is someone supposed to pay for this newer car? Don't tell me I can afford a 9 year old car, either, because in a year, you'll just say, "you should trade that in for a newer car, cause now it's ten years old". Your opinion seems to come from the luxury of making a decent living, while many people can't even save $500 in a year because of living expenses and bills, let alone buy a 5 year old car every five years...

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    2. Re:Just what we need by Fig,+formerly+A.C. · · Score: 2, Insightful

      He's right, I really want to trade in my paid for 1993 Geo Tracker for a 2003 Escalade. I'm sure the car payment, insurance hike, and taxes would be more than offset by the increased fuel economy. Err.. wait...

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  4. Pet projects to placate enviro types by Ars-Fartsica · · Score: 4, Insightful
    All the car manufacturers are showing off green vehicle projects, but thats all they are, projects. The car companies are trying to buy some good karma with enviro freaks and government types while they continue to produce gas-guzzling behemoths for the public.

    It doesn't help that the President now wants to provide tax incentives for certain types of SUV owners. Face it, beneath the green rhetoric, the US is a society that lives on pig iron and fossil fuels.

    1. Re:Pet projects to placate enviro types by Cyberdyne · · Score: 2, Insightful
      OTOH, I am pleased that Toyota and Honda continue to actually manufacture and ship the greenest vehicles we can buy [epa.gov] (Toyota Prius, Toyota RAV4 EV, Honda Civic Hybrid, Honda Insight).

      Whoops - looks like you spoke too soon. The RAV4 is being discontinued. Meanwhile, Honda rejects Mozilla, suggesting I 'upgrade' to IE or Netscape 4.x...

      Unfortunately, all the green vehicles in the world won't do a bit of good if nobody buys them. Actual average fuel economy of all cars bought in the U.S. is currently as low as it was in 1980. [epa.gov] To turn this around we either have to mandate better economy by raising the CAFE standards, or push it economically by raising the cost of gasoline with taxes, and then offset them by giving tax breaks to people who buy more fuel-efficient, less-polluting vehicles.

      Or, rather than trying to force people to buy cars which - by definition - they don't want (otherwise, why do you need to force them?), try persuading them. Make an attractive hybrid car (the RAV4 looks nice, apart from the small detail of being discontinued...) and I'll buy it. Hopefully, my next car will be an SUV - probably gasoline-burning despite the fuel consumption/pollution, because fuel-cell or hybrid versions aren't there yet.

      Instead of trying to modify the public to fit your preferred car, modify the car to fit the public: it'll be much more popular that way. I actually WANT a 'clean' car - but I won't drive a Honda Civic, however clean it might be.

  5. Who is this for anyway? by tarnin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Seems that a car like this should be more geared twords business or people who buy on a leese. For the general buyer, a throw away car will not be all that hot of an idea. Having monthly payments on a limited income is what you try to avoid. While this idea really isnt new, im suprised that Ford is one of the first to actually come out and say "Hey, this car wont last x yrs and its not made to." One other thing, how enviromently friendly is a car like this anyway? Ya, it cuts down on emitions and fuel consumption but havning an entire car get retired and destroyed after a short period of time isnt all that great. The car will still have to be gutted, crushed, recycled back to workable material, all this generating waste and other nice byproducts. Looks like we might just be creating the same amout of toxins and waste just in another area.

    1. Re:Who is this for anyway? by SoCalChris · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That is a good point. What they need to do is focus on a reliable car, that will last for a few decades (Much like the older diesel Mercedes have, older VW Bugs, Hondas, etc...) that get good mileage and is easily recyclable once the car reaches the end of it's useful life.

      Of course that goes against the American mentality of "I have to have a brand new huge SUV every two years". I think if people really want to help the environment they would buy something like a Civic and keep that until it falls apart instead of buying something that is huge and unneccesary for them.

    2. Re:Who is this for anyway? by vidarh · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Exactly where does it say it is desgiend to last for a short period of time? It is not a throw away car - it's a car designed to have a lower environmental impact during manufacture, operation and finally when it gets scrapped.

  6. Already been done by will592 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    They've been building recyclable cars since the 30's. Take a trip to a local hot rod or collectible car show. It may come as a shock to some people, but auto manufacturers used to build cars that you could actually repair. It wasn't even that long ago that you could actually take a piece of sheet metal and fabricate a body panel for your car. Take a look at some collectible car catalogs; there are some cars you can build entirely by ordering parts out of a magazine. My point being cars aren't necessarily disposable commodities. The auto manufacturers are more interested in selling people brand new pieces of garbage every year than making money selling replacement parts. What was it Henry Ford said, he'd give away a car to every American if only he could sell replacement parts. Iron can be recast, engines can be rebuilt. What's the big story here?

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  7. Green elsewhere, gas guzzling here by Nexus7 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It says a lot of the market here (or what Ford & GM think of the market) that Ford is greener in the EU than in the US. There's a 50+ mpg Ford Focus selling in the UK, there's a Volvo (owned by Ford) diesel sedam/stn wagon that has more oomph than the most poerful gas version with 40+ mpg, and Merc and BMW have hotrod diesel sedans in regular production over there. Think about it, a doubling of fuel efficiency of they'd sell the same thing here, with no war, no pain, no massive infrastructure changes, almost nothing. OK, maybe $1k more for the more expensive engine, but consider how we'd all pay more for a V6 vs an inline 4 cylinder.

    DIsposable cars, I mean isn't this a prblem waiting for a solution? Cars recycle better than most things right now, the major component steel, becomes structural steel for buildings.

    In this respect I have to say Toyota and Honda are the most serious about improving our environmental impact. While they pay all due homage to hydogen fuel cell and interchangeable bodies and other "cool" concepts, they're selling practical highly efficient vehicles like the Prius and the Impact (there's a 5 door version out now, don't know what they call it). Of course, there's always been the 50 mpg Jetta if you really look. And all 3 companies have not a trace of US ownership.

  8. Never mind recyling by Chocolate+Teapot · · Score: 4, Insightful
    How about making a car that didn't need to be recycled? For years car manufacturers have been making cars from steel, which requires expensive anti-corrosion treatment. Even then, a slight scratch leaves the thing vulnerable to attack from the elements. How many ten-year-old cars do you see with immaculate original bodywork?

    It's about time they started making the things from carbon fibre (or even glass fibre), which is easily repaired, lightweight (therefore more fuel efficient), and totally immune to corrosion. The attitude that a car is a disposable commodity, to be tossed in the trash every couple of years is daft. I would rather see manufacturers offering upgrades to existing vehicle as an alternative.

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    1. Re:Never mind recyling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Would you really want to be in a fibreglass car when some asshole hits you going at 50mph in a 2 Ton SUV due to jumping a red light whilst talking on his cellphone.

  9. Re:An excellent expansion of . . . by CommieLib · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Excellent points all around. Your thinking argues for an entirely different strategy.

    You want true automotive recycling? Pursue greater modularity and standard across automakers. Decrease black-boxiness of parts (make them mechanic repairable as they once were).

    Of course these goals, as always, are probably at cross purposes with others.

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  10. What does it say... by Viceice · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...about car manufacturers who boast about their cars being easily recycled instead of their cars being engineered to last a lifetime?

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  11. Cost Savings by pdrome4robert · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is more than just appeasing environmentalists. By designing and building a car that is easier to recycle, they reduce the cost of recycling. Which reduces the price of recycled materials. Which reduces the price of making new products from the recycled materials. If the US requires auto companies to take back and recycle their products, Ford has already reduced their cost of complying. There are already products in the US that manufacturers are require to take back for recycling.

  12. Exactly! by Lowca · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Damn, I wish I could mod this guy up.

    Better yet, it might be wise to bring back the days when cars were built almost entirely out of steel, not out of plastic and sheet metal like they are today. Those old cars could withstand collisions with just about anything short of a tractor/trailer (lorry for you Brits), and sometimes even then. You could actually walk away from a 20mph crash, instead of having to call for an ambulance.

    If you can make a new car as crash-resistant as an old one, without using steel, that'll be great. If not... well, I care more about my safety than I do about miles per gallon. I agree that most people don't need gas guzzlers such as SUV's, but the sacrifice of auto safety on the altar of the environment has been going on for way too long.

  13. Nevermind the fact... by intermodal · · Score: 2, Insightful

    that most of our electricity comes from fossil fuels, and recycling takes energy...and there's also the tiny detail that the price of a disposable car isn't going to be much, if at all, less than a normal car made of real parts due to R/D costs and the fact that there aren't convenient hydrogen stations across the nation lining our highways.

    So unless something magically makes Ford decide to get with the oil companies and convert the stations while swapping their pricing model to something a little cheaper (say, 2 to 6 thousand dollars US), then I am quite sure that Henry Ford is rolling in his grave as they compare this to his Model T, because the Model T was nothing if not successful and affordable.

    So until this all comes to pass, I think I'll stick with my Crown Vic, content with the fact that it doesn't keel over and die when I pass 100,000 miles on the odometer and the fact that I have only had to do non-preventative maintenance once.

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  14. PCBs, lead, etc. by mmol_6453 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There's a lot about a modern car that's very difficult to recycle. Printed Circuit Boards have lead, plastic, and a myriad of other toxic things. Some kinds of plastic are expensive to recycle, and plastics with coloring agents are almost useless for reusing in the same type of product.

    You also run into health issues (Like, did the previous owners let mold grow in the seats?)

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