The Costs of Making a DRAM Chip
Anonymous Coward writes "Researchers at the United Nations University in Tokyo studied the physical and environmental costs to produce one 32-megabyte DRAM chip. Their conclusion? The UNU team found that to make every one of the millions manufactured each year requires 32 kg of water, 1.6 kg of fossil fuels, 700 grams of elemental gases (mainly nitrogen), and 72 grams of chemicals (hundreds are used, including lethal arsine gas and corrosive hydrogen fluoride)."
The publication itself:
Here.
Those numbers may be "used to make" a single microchip, but it doesn't say those numbers are what is CONSUMED. That's what's important... how much of that material is consumed in making a single chip.
I suspect that 32kg of water is reused for many, many chips. Same with the other material. Obviously, you'll have SOME material consumed when making a single chip, but I find it difficult to believe all that is CONSUMED when creating a single chip.
More info needs to be presented about the consumption of materials to make a chip that what is "used" to make a chip.
Ok, kids, go ahead and eat those old simms and dimms.
XML causes global warming.
The problem is... At one point I was trying to recycle a bunch of old hardware and did some research. I recall reading at one point (I forget exactly where, unfortunately) that many of the companies that recycle old hardware don't.
:-/
What they do do is put it on a slow boat to China where it is dumped into the rivers. Rivers that locals rely upon for drinking water. And then, to supplement their income, some of the chinese people will take the hardware and pick out the copper and other metals to sell. But they don't wear any appropriate protective gear, not even gloves.
So, basically, "recycling" is just a long process by which we make it someone else's environmental problem
Not all recycling companies do this, but many do. If you want to go this route, be sure you research the companies thoroughly. I ended up not recycling (yet), but found some buyers who had a use for the old hardware.
Government IS the problem.
this sounds like a 'worst case scenario' type of analysis.
I'm not denying that the chip industry isnt doing Mother Nature any favors, but what exactly do these numbers mean?
I mean, I hear from environmentalist types that every glass of water you drink takes 2 glasses to wash and another 2 to rinse it. But, the water doesnt dissappear or become unusable. It makes its way back into the system.
So of 32 kg of water 'used', how much of that becomes contaminated to the point that it cant be re-used? If its a coolant that evaporates as steam, then I don't see the big deal. If its turned into toxic sludge with a half life measured in eons, then it probalby is.
And WRT to fossil fuels, are they directly used in manufacturing, or are we talking how much needs to be burned to create the electricity needed to manufacture? And why talk about fossil fuels, and not Uranium or solar/hydro/wind power? Because it gets more attention? Wouldnt kW/h would be a better measure? What matters is how much energy is expended.
I understand that we need to better watch and control our impact on the environment, but infactual data and meaningless statements like 'it takes 300 bananas to make a wingnut' don't help.
I don't need no instructions to know how to rock!!!!
In 97' I worked at Samsung's fab in Austin, Texas as a chemical technician, troubleshooting and maintaining the pumps that sent liquid chemicals up to the fab. I also pushed a lot of drums and hooked up tanker trucks of sulfuric and other nasties to the hungry fab.
As the average slashdotter knows, every chip is composed of multiple layers, each masked and etched, bathed in various acids and bases and then neutralized and cleaned before the next layer can be applied.
Then these waste chemicals are pumped out, neutralized (in theory) and diluted before being dumped into the same waste water stream that eventually hits streams, rivers and ground water.
There's a whole lot of water indirectly consumed in the manufacturing process - but a whole order of magnitude more water consumed and dumped to dilute the hopefully neutralized (ie, salts) waste products.
So I believe the numbers - kgs (ie, liters!) of water per MB does not set off my bullsht detector.
To me, it also brings into question the whole drive of chip research. It's all focused on performance. There are some articles on research into environmentally friendy chips. But when did you hear of a chip marketed as enviro-friendly? We're tempted into buying the another chip just a tick faster but not even given the choice. For consumers to even be able to make the choice for a more sustainable product we have to have the information.
But companies don't even want us to know what we're injesting - that isn't important to them and is contrary to their creation of demand for more stuff. Why would we think they would tell us something against their own short-term interest?
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Not to flame, but I felt the following points relevant.
;-)
You do realise that you are talking from the perspective of someone from a developed country, where any school can afford to use a PIII/500?
You do realise that there are countries where all that a public school would have is probably ONE computer which all the students get to SEE and not work on?
A school isn't going to teach word processing on anything less than a 500 Mh PIII.
I think Office 97 did indeed run very happily on an 133 Mhz system? My dear friend, applied computer use does not necessiate the use of the latest bleeding edge graphical OS with the latest bloated word-processing app.
A school teaches applied computer use, not CS, so an account isn't much help.
Don't be too sure. Hell, I learnt Basic and Dbase in my 4th and 5th grade in school. That would again depend on your school.
let alone figure out how to install Linux on an old PC.
Here in India, the use of Linux is being spread in several small schools without enough funds.
What are the benefits? You have 8th grade kids who are familiar with the command line and 10th and 12th grade kids who can whip up Perl scripts. They have an environment to explore. And they are learning a technology that is here to stay.
A school isn't going to use a linux firewall.
Duh! And why not?
Is it because its too complex? If it helps, my high-school project for my final CS paper was an Parallel Operating System.
Is it because its not widespread? If you are talking about a school without resources, hell they'll take just about anything you give them.
In MANY schools that I know of with a single dial-up connection being shared by many computers, guess what OS runs the machine connecting to the Internet?
This still doesn't address the long term problem. What do we do with the old PCs in 5 more years (when all the schools have old PCs)?
Well, don't you know? We would have a BEOWULF CLUSTER of those!!!