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America's Army on Linux

jojor writes "It seems that icculus.org has gotten America's Army to run under Linux, as this screenshot will attest. America's Army is UT based and free (as in beer). More games for Linux, yippeh!" Awesome. I consider America's Army to be one of the best things my government has funded within recent history.

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  1. Why? by Blaine+Hilton · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I aggree it is a great game, but shouldn't the government be putting that money to better use? I meen it's just a recruiting tool isn't it?

    1. Re:Why? by drunkmonk · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yes, but the overall recruiting budget for the United States military is huge, and the total development costs for the game were a rather small part of it. Think about how many man hours it saves if even 0.1% of the people who play it come to the recruiter instead of making the recruiter come to them.

    2. Re:Why? by NineBall · · Score: 5, Funny

      "A dollar spent on brainwashing is better than a dollar spent on product improvement."- The Dilbert Principle

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    3. Re:Why? by jsav40 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I aggree it is a great game, but shouldn't the government be putting that money to better use? I meen it's just a recruiting tool isn't it?

      It is a recruiting tool but not a bad idea overall. Consider how difficult selling enlistment in the armed forces is.Every little bit of positive PR helps achieve that goal. Having served 8 years in the Army, and being old enough to remember the draft, I really appreciate the importance of having a dedicated volunteer force rather than a conscripted army.

    4. Re:Why? by ianp5uk · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's a great game but as for recruitment? It'd put me off. Scares the xxxx out of me and I get killed a lot.

  2. The government didn't fund it ... by The+AtomicPunk · · Score: 5, Insightful


    You did.

  3. Unreal 2 based by xmnemonic · · Score: 4, Informative

    It is based off of the Unreal 2 engine, it is not based off of the game Unreal Tournament.

    1. Re:Unreal 2 based by damiam · · Score: 4, Informative

      Unreal 2 is just a later build of the UT engine.

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    2. Re:Unreal 2 based by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      It is based on Epics Unreal Engine. Not UT or Unreal 2 engine. It is a more advanced build than the UT engine, but a build or so before UT2003 and U2. BTW Splinter Cell was also based on the Unreal Engine, that was a build before UT2003, and so was Raven Shield on the Rainbow Six series.

      That is all.

  4. Argh! by Dark+Lord+Seth · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Awesome. I consider America's Army to be one of the best things my government has funded within recent history.

    Yes! Immagine all that money being used on education, safety of healthcare instead of being used as some military recruitment/propaganda toy. WHAT A WASTE THAT WOULD BE!

    Note: Not a troll, nor a flame. Might be hard to see the difference in this case but I'm actually serious, heh.

    1. Re:Argh! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Not to flame you or anything but you do realize that the game only cost about $7 million to produce (at least according to Wired). You couldn't really do anything worthwhile in education or healthcare with only $7 million. As far as recruitment for the army goes $7 million is only probably about the amount the army spends on those "army of one" recruitment ads on TV in a week so no big waste of funds there. Now if you're trying to say that spending money to recruit people into the army is a waste of money, well that's a completly different conversation entirely.

    2. Re:Argh! by FeloniousPunk · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The military has a recruitment mission and for this mission it gets millions and millions of dollars. Have you any clue on how much advertising costs? So now the Army decided to spend of those millions on a game as a recruiting tool instead of lame Army of One and Be All You Can Be commercials. Pretty smart move, I think. It's not like that money was in a pot that was otherwise going to fund school lunches or something like that.

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    3. Re:Argh! by KDan · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You could create and fund probably over 7 schools with that tiny budget. Every little bit helps.

      Daniel

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    4. Re:Argh! by Dun+Malg · · Score: 4, Insightful
      You could create and fund probably over 7 schools with that tiny budget.

      Are you on crack? $7M Isn't enough to even build a single school, much less fund it.

      Every little bit helps.

      Only if you end up throwing enough little bits together. One little bit like this is totally irrelevant. If you want to save money, try the various corporate-welfare farm subsidies. Furthermore, I contend that our current problems in education aren't from lack of money-- they're from inept leadership. Here in Los Angeles, our local bureaucrat toads just poured $160M down a rathole called the Belmont Learning Center. It's built on a toxic waste dump over an earthquake fault. It'll never open. That's not lack of money, that's lack of rationality!

      Besides, this is the Army's PR budget. If they didn't spend it on this, they'd spend it on TV commercials. Would you rather the money went to programmers, or mutton-head Madison avenue suits?

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    5. Re:Argh! by Some+Dumbass... · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I would assume that you're being sarcastic, but who knows nowadays. So...

      Without our military, we wouldn't have this country and the freedom that we enjoy. Much less the freedom to worry about and debate education and healthcare issues.

      Without _any_ military, sure. But we're talking degrees here, not a yes/no situation. Please explain how, say, cutting military funding in half would cause the US to collapse (not that we're talking about anything nearly that severe). Remember that the US is part of the UN, and is _supposed_ to be able to rely on the UN for military assistance. That fact that we ignore the UN so often (think "World Court", or "not paying dues") and choose to get into wars that they do not support is part of our problem. Then again, perhaps that's part of what you meant by "our way of life"?

      I wish that more people in the post-Vietnam generation would get this into their heads. Our freedom is not free. Our government puts money into the military because it's necessary to ensure our freedom, and our way of life.

      That would be the freedom to own two SUVs while half of Africa is starving, right?

      Okay, I exaggerate slightly, but still... the problem isn't that the post-Vietnam generation doesn't think the military is worth having. If nothing else, it's an alternative to college for some people. Rather, the problem is that we know what the phrase "our way of life" really means, and we treat it as the rhetoric that it is. First, we're well aware that other industrialized countries are doing just fine without getting into wars every other year (also see below). On the other hand, we know that the "American way of life" is about having as many luxuries as money can buy, irregardless of the larger consequences (e.g. continuing poverty in much of the world, environmental damage, and for many Americans, excessive spending on credit). I love using my computer and participating in SlashDot discussions and the like, but I know that it's utterly unnecessary and that frankly the world would be better off if I didn't have this computer. You, on the other hand, seem like the type who thinks that society would collape if you couldn't buy your 16-year old a car.

      Don't believe me? Go find some dude who's come here from a less privleged country and ask him what it's REALLY like out there.

      I've lived in Canada and The Netherlands. They're both "less priveleged" than the US (as is every other nation on Earth, according to the US :), and they're both great, despite (or due to?) having smaller militaries than the US.

      And no, cutting US military funding won't cause us to become Cambodia overnight. Nice scare tactic.

      Personally, I think we as a country should be even stronger. It frightens me sometimes to think that in our current state that we couldn't fight on more than 2 Iraq sized fronts at the same time.

      This is why I assume that you're being sarcastic. Assuming that your statement is true at all, the next question is, how many enemies does the US have exactly? Why should we assume that the US is going to fight them alone? Why should the US have the forces necessary to fight multiple enemies constantly available rather than simply having the capacity to acquire them? Do you really think that the US will have zero time to prepare for the next war?

      I sometimes think that this lack of understanding/complacity is what will eventually kill this country.

      ...and some of us think that this kind of antiquated "US against the world" thinking will kill the US (not "this country", since SlashDot is an international forum). The cold war is over. Don't try to apply that type of thinking to the modern world. Instead, try thinking about what's _actually_ going on.

    6. Re:Argh! by chriso11 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I agree with a good chunk of what you are saying. HOWEVER (isn't there always a however? Anyway, moving right along) the last real defense of American liberties in war was WWII.

      The Korean War, the Vietnam War, Desert Storm, and so on were not to 'ensure our freedom, and our way of life'. The main issue I have with the American military is neatly summed up in the old adage when all you have is a hammer, everything starts to look like a nail. Face it, the US overuses its military, partially due to its sucesses.

      The US Military budget is larger than the next 5 largest military budgets, combined. And 3 of the five are close allies. And when was the last time there was a major US military action in more than 2 locations, anyway? Maybe the US should try less unilateral action, and rely on the resources (and advice) of our allies.

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  5. Great to hear... by shftleft · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Being an avid AAO Player, and an avid linux user, I'm glad to hear that someone has gotten the client running under Linux. As exciting as that is, I'm more disappointed that the linux server software hasn't been released to the public yet....*sigh

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  6. Recruiting by Kjeks · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Slightly off-topic, so mod me down if you wish.
    It's weird that after a billion years of human evolution, we still solve conflicts by killing each others. The only thing that has evolved is the method used.

    I think it's sad that young people are encouraged to kill other people, and the army even sends out computer games to recruit people!
    Why not spend more money on *preventing* war, in stead of *fighting* war?

    There should be an political army as well as a millitary army, but then again, it won't be so "fun" to not be able to kill other human beings.

    -"Killing people with bow and arrow is primitive. Killing people with nuclear bombs is civilized."

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    1. Re:Recruiting by wakebrdr · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Why not spend more money on preventing war instead of fighting war?

      This may come as a suprise to you, but there are people in the world who want to kill you and me just out of spite. We who sit around on Saturday mornings sipping tasty caffienated beverages sometimes have a hard time relating to those in the 3rd world raised in highly religious environments where they are taught that all their problems are because of us, and the only way to fix it is with an AK or a suicide bomb.

      When you try to act on this problem, you end up making the productive members of society give away huge amounts of their earnings because the only way to *prevent war* on a planet with limited resources and swelling population is to redistribute wealth. "From each according to his ability; to each according to his need." This leads to socialism or communism. People are not naturally inclined to work for the service of others. It is not natural for people to sacrifice the fruits of their labor for some larger social goal. Surely you learned something from the collapse of the Soviet Union, yes?

      So sorry, but the old saying rings true: The best way to keep the peace is to prepare for war.

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  7. Answer by Fastball · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Look, the civilized world, the U.S., Great Britain, Germany, and even France, among other equally important, civilized nations have a lot (maybe more, maybe less) at stake when they go to war. If you recall, the U.S. did next to nothing (that we know of at least) after the original WTC bombing, its embassy bombings, and the attack on the U.S. Cole. You can turn the cheek all you want, but it doesn't stop anybody from slapping you.

    If you're lucky, sometimes the threat of force is enough to prevent an attack. If not, you do what you have to and you do it decisively. Look, I appreciate your views and however you arrived at them. You have good intentions.

    Unfortunately, there are enough fractured souls in this world who will stop at nothing to lash out, often violently, and sometimes catastrophically. There always will be. Blame it on the human condition.

    As shitty a deal as it was for those Japanese who suffered the atomic bombs at the tail end of WWII, something important bloomed from it. We understood just how destructive we as humans can be. And so far while ideologies, politics, and cultures have clashed, the civilized world at least has enjoyed a mostly peaceful, prosperous time. It took a while and a bunch of lives in Korea, Vietnam, and Afghanistan to name a few to get where we are now, but right now ain't so bad.

    Can you imagine what it would be like if the third world, the Middle East, all of Africa, and some spots across Asia join the fold? I can, I really can, and what a great time that will be. But we'll never get there watching on the sidelines. When the world can rid itself of despot rulers and give people like the Iraqis a future beyond Saddam Hussein's despotic predestination, we'll be closer to preventing war than anyone can imagine.

  8. You're not going to believe me, but... by DarthWiggle · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That's what law and lawyers are for. Think about it. 99% of the stuff people go to civil litigation for nowadays is stuff that might have resulted in a duel in the past. Encroachment on property? Bang. Breached contract? Bang. Fraud, deceit, misappropriation of village wheat. Bang.

    Now we just sue the hell out of each other and nobody gets killed.

    Nation states evolved from the personal fiefdoms of kings, but, at some point, the rule of law stopped counting. Oh, that's right, presidents and kings aren't bound by law.

    My bad.

  9. Re:Violence in video games by jcsehak · · Score: 4, Insightful

    but even I can tell that I have been desensitized to violence to some degree.

    Have you now? When was the last time you saw someone get shot?

    I guarantee you, if you see someone get shot or beaten, or even do it yourself, you'll feel the same way about it as if you never played video games. Have you even got in a fight recently? Doubtful.

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  10. Re:Actually it is money well spent. by E_elven · · Score: 4, Insightful
    How much is it worth to you to teach your **future soliders** proper movement techniques and command and control at the squad level. These techniques keep our soldiers alive, and the soldiers of the future our currently our children.


    Me, I'd prefer no wars but it seems to be the losing opinion these days.

    Note that this game has zero gore.


    This is good how? "Oh, I died, let me just repop." They're recruiting people for war. I personally think they should include a device that gives 10000 volts every time you get killed.
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  11. Government Funded Racism by dhaberx · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Nobody else seems to have commented on this, so I will. Has anyone noticed that on one of the desert missions you play the American's and of course you must fight the "terrorists" who are obviously arab. It's pretty sick that our tax payer dollars are being used to promote these racist ideals. They encourage children to play these games, and we all know that a lot of the people playing are very young. Does anyone else see something wrong with calling arabs terrorists and letting you be an American that kills them in a tax payer funded game. What are we teaching our children here? I wrote a letter complaining a while back but received no response. I hope that others out there will complain to the dev team and have the racism removed from the game.

  12. The wierd thing about this game is... by sbaker · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...that you always get to play as the Americans.

    It's a networked multiplayer thingy - and when *YOU* play, you
    are always "the good guys" - so who is out there playing "the
    bad guys" ?

    The answer is that both sides *think* they are playing the
    good guys - but the graphics show you as a US soldier and your
    opponent as some kind of terrorist or something...one man's "Protect
    the Diplomat on the way to the peace conference" is another man's
    "Free the Kidnapped Diplomat before he's executed".

    What's more subtle is that all the high-tech weaponry that you
    have is also being used by your competition! Not exactly
    a realistic situation in "the real world".

    Aside from that, I think this is a VERY dubious way to attract
    testosterone-laden video-game-addicted teenagers into the military
    - and I'm horrified that taxpayers are shelling out for this.

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    1. Re:The wierd thing about this game is... by MrEd · · Score: 4, Insightful
      when *YOU* play, you are always "the good guys" - so who is out there playing "the bad guys"? The answer is that both sides *think* they are playing the good guys


      Wow, a realistic war game! I suppose they didn't intend the irony...

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  13. Re:Recruiting (Burning Karma) by Jadrano · · Score: 5, Funny

    When you meet a follower of the current US administration's doctrine: 1. Punch him in the face as hard as you can 2. As long as he hasn't fallen to the ground repeat step 1 3. Tell him that it was necessary to punch him because otherwise he might have punched you or gained the abilitry to punch you in a few years 4. When he is getting up again, this shows that you were right, the likelihood of him punching you in the future rises again. Therefore continue with 1. Repeat all this until he admits that the idea of pre-emptive strikes was not meant to be used by anyone else, is actually the same like the "right" of the stronger and doesn't make sense as a general principle.

  14. but how? by lloyd+elliott · · Score: 4, Insightful

    has anyone who has read this article tried to run this under linux yet, and have they had any luck? there seems to be nothing on icculus except the screenshot. I tried to wine the installer, but it choked. this news item would have been much more worthwhile if it included some kind of procedure for getting it to work (isntall on a windows machine, and copy over the binaries, then wine?)

  15. AA is worth it just to watch censors squirm... by Nice2Cats · · Score: 4, Interesting
    ...in places like Germany, where they have banned games such as "Quake 2" for for violence, and forced "Tomb Raider" to have blue-blooded animals, and changed the translation in "Command and Conquor" so that the soldiers are all robots. But they haven't touched AA yet -- image the diplomatic fun if Germany banned a game that the U.S. government produced.

    Ah, censorship. It will make you look like an Dummkopf every time...

  16. Good Training by core+plexus · · Score: 4, Insightful
    We used a laser system called MILES, which was actually pretty cool. It could sense a hit or near-hit, and like shooting at a tank with real ammo using an AK or M-16 does nothing, so too does the MILES system work. One time when I was playing the part of an infiltrator I 'killed' 40 infantrymen with just my dirty old AK.

    The purpose of the game is to teach you about teamwork. If you try and run it like an UT fragfest, you'll get killed, just like usually happens in real life. The game would bore you to tears if it used the "Hurry Up And Wait" standard of military ops, as well as the BOHICA (Bend Over Here It Comes Again) when orders are changed. In real life it is very scary to operate for extended periods of time in hostile terrain, without support, but as a game it would no doubt be very boring. There's just no way to capture to lack of sleep, sand in your asscrack, bugs crawling over you which you cannot swat away or you'll be detected, or running into a damn yapping little dog at night in a hostile city.

    In a related story: Front-line troops disproportionately white, not black