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LinuxWorld Exhibitors' Responses to Slashdot Questions
by Oculus Habent
For Hardware Vendors:
What basic strategies are you employing to better penetrate the server/appliance market with Linux systems?
I chose to ask Lou Martelli, the PR guy for InfiniCon Systems this one first. He said, "High-performance, low-cost clusters on commodity servers, specifically that work with InfiniBand." Okay, fine. He then launched into a spiel about InfiniCon products that had words like "value" and "interoperability" in it but didn't answer my question. I asked again, and got another sales pitch. Okay. Fine. This company's strategy to better penetrate the appliance/server market with Linux is to use a lot of marketing buzzwords.
Tim Lee, president of Pogo Linux, did better. He pointed to the products on display in his company's booth, and they looked so good I wanted to take them all home with me on the spot. The company's "Why Choose Pogo Linux?" Web page, which Tim pointed me to, showed more of their strategy: Strong Linux commitment.
Tim also said, "We're right across the street from Microsoft. We sell a lot of stuff to Microsoft people. There's a lot of Linux running at Microsoft. A lot of Microsoft developers prefer to work with Linux."
Heh. If Tim and his crew are making money selling Linux systems to Microsoft, well and good. You start getting the geeks in a company interested in Linux, and as those geeks get promoted up the management ladder, more often than not Linux starts to infiltrate the company's server rooms. This often takes place without top management's knowledge. We'll want to keep in touch with Tim, and see how big the "server/appliance market" for Linux systems gets inside Microsoft.
Dear Redhat Software (Score:5, Interesting)
by Anonymous Coward
What is your response to the vulterant claims that your Gnome/KDE setup is breaking QT apps and causing havoc for developers who make use of QT?
Red Hat's Jeremy Hogan said any KDE breakage was unintentional; that the big problem is that Red Hat's developers are almost all Gnome people, and Bero (Bernhard Rosenkraenzer), their only real KDE person, left the company last year.
(Bero has since started his own distribution, Ark Linux.)
Anyway, Hogan says, the breakage is only in Red Hat 8.0's default hybrid Gnome/KDE Bluecurve desktop, but "if you just run KDE, not Bluecurve, there are no problems."
And for the followup questioner who wanted to know what "vulterant" meant, it doesn't show up as a word at dictionary.com and a Google search with "vulterant" as a keyword returned zero results.
To Microsoft (Score:5, Interesting)
by gmuslera
Considering that this is called "LinuxWorld", what product will you release next for Linux?
See the answer to the next question. Might as well handle these two together...
To Microsoft (Score:5, Interesting)
by Oculus Habent
Do you plan on producing Open Source components to any of your products? This primarily refers to server components, such as HTTP, DNS, IMAP, etc. which could function externally to the base programs (Exchange, ISA, etc.) and offer simpler and more granular control over active services.
I approached a person in the Microsoft booth whose badge identified him as "John Kotas" and asked him what products Microsoft planned to introduce for Linux. "I don't know," he said. I turned to one of Kotas's coworkers, whose badge was not visible, and asked the same question and also the one about producing open source components for Microsoft server products. Again, "I don't know."
I tried again, both questions, with a Microsoft person whose badge identified him as Jeff Albertson. He said, "As far as I know Microsoft has no plans for Linux products, but I'm not a media spokesperson, hold on, I'll get you one."
I turned around, and there was smiling, affable Mark Martin, an account executive with Microsoft's PR firm, Waggener Edstrom, who said, "I can work on getting an official spokesperson for you," when I asked him about Microsoft's Linux product plans.
In response to the other question, he said, "Microsoft has made its bet on Windows, and at the present time continues to stay the course. We hear from customers that they are getting great value from the Windows platform.
"We realize it's a heterogeneous world, and that's one of the reasons we're at LinuxWorld, talking about Unix services, which are also applicable for Linux."
Then we talked about football. Mark thought the Raiders were going to win the Super Bowl. I figured the Bucs would take it. He offered to help me set up any interviews I needed with Microsoft people. I will take him up on this offer. (In the past, Waggener Edstrom and Microsoft have been very poor about returning calls and emails from Slashdot and NewsForge people. We will see how well this promise is kept. We haven't interviewed a Microsoft exec for a long time.)
What is the best giveaway item? (Score:5, Interesting)
by burgburgburg
In your experience as a convention exhibitor, what is the most effective giveaway item you've ever used to draw people to your booth long enough to make a pitch? What will people wait in line for, sit through demos for, fill out long questionaires for, let you swipe their card for, jostle others to get?
Conversely, what was the lamest giveaway item you were ever saddled with? Where you had to throw it at passersby, and even then they recoiled in dismay?
None of the exhibitors I talked to wanted to go on record with this one. A Red Hat person said (on condition of anonymity), "Demo CDs are always the best." This was echoed by other software vendors: A Linux crowd likes demo software more than anything else.
In the press room, long-time tech journalist -- and now owner of food site eGullet.com -- Jason Perlow said his favorite was a miniature Rubik's Cube on a key chain from Intel. He also liked an HP giveaway: "It's a stuffed, squeezable penguin that you only get if you sit through a presentation first. It's very nice to hold. It could double as a marital aid, too."
Ummm... okay, Jason.
Other journalists chimed in. A Favorite was the foam penguin marionettes several had spotted around the show, but no one remembered who was giving them out. The journo crowd also liked the Red Hat (red) baseball caps, which were being given out at set times, and you had to line up to get. The SuSE lizards were also prized.
On the down side, t-shirts were considered passe, at least by the tech journalists at LinuxWorld, most of whom go to enough trade shows that after a few years they have a lifetime supply of corporate t-shirts and don't need any more.
One well-known reporter said, "I've seen so many giveaways over the years that the only way to get my attention now would be to give me a server. No, make that a cluster."
To icculus.org (Score:5, Interesting)
by alkini
To icculus.org (booth #9): What is it like to be a small organization at a big convention with people like HP, Microsoft, Red Hat, etc? Do people give you any credit for what you are doing?
The obvious answer: Icculus was the darling of LinuxWorld. Their booth drew more traffic per square foot than any other display.
A deeper answer, by email over the weekend from Icculus dude Ryan Gordon:
As to being a little organization:To the KDE team (Score:5, Funny)There were really two types of people coming by the booth. One would say, "Wow, you can do this on Linux?!" and the other would say, "How much are you selling this for?"
This tells me, contrary to popular belief, that people don't always expect handouts when looking at open source software. However, they don't see something that impresses them as often as they should, and it's gotten to the point where a product with any amount of polish is assumed to be commercial...and anything free is buggy, ugly, slow, something. I remember feeling a sense of awe the first time I loaded Enlightenment many years ago. Maybe people were feeling that same awe while watching a round of PyDDR: the sense that the technology that's been staring you in the face all this time can be much, much cooler than you ever dreamed. You can't get that feeling of awe from a presentation on how Company X's servers are 20% more scalable than their competitors.
Video games are sexy. People need to be aware that GNU/Linux is more than just something to drive your webservers.
Oh, and representatives from all the "Big Companies" stopped by at various points in the show to play the video games. Including Microsoft. I'm not threatened at all. :)
As for credit:
A lot of people (myself included) feel that video games are a major factor in getting GNU/Linux to the masses. I can't count the number of people that have said, "Thanks for porting [GAME X]! It was the only reason I kept a Windows partition around!" I heard this a million times at the show from people that don't even consciously consider themselves gamers. I also had a lot of students ask me how to get into the video game industry. We're the answer there, too. Just look at our ports of Quake 2, Freespace 2, Alien vs. Predator, etc. Commercial games that have been open-sourced are a great way to see how the pros did it, and give you a means to tinker with the code (experience, experience, experience). The amateur games we host (Black Shades, Bitstream, OES, etc) are also an attempt to nurture future game developers that are Unix-friendly. The person writing Battle Pong today might be writing Unreal 3 tomorrow.
A lot of people see icculus.org as a kind of Loki reborn. I don't know about that, but overall, people seem to be happy with what we're doing, both as a project hosting site and as game developers.
by secondsun
Which will come first, Duke Nukem Forever or KDE 3.1?
I didn't manage to hook up with KDE. Sorry. I went to where their booth was supposed to be, but didn't spot them. Another journo said they weren't around.
Perhaps a KDE developer reading this can fill us in.
To Macrovision Corp. (Score:5, Interesting)
by josh crawley
To Macrovision Corp. (booth R10)
As I understand, your main stakes are in the encoding of ntsc and pal video signals as to make them uncopyable in receiving hardware (correct me if I'm incorrect).
As that stated, why are you involved with Linux? Are you contributing to the video section (V4L) of the Linux kernel or making user-land utilities? In general, what are your open business plans with Linux?
Nancy Robbins of Macrovision said, "We're not with the video group." She offered to put me in touch with the people at the company who are. (Perhaps we'll talk with them another time.)
The Macrovision people at LinuxWorld were from their Enterprise Software Division (formally Globetrotter Software). They were there to push Electronic License Management and Software Asset Management products.
Ms. Robbins described this as "electronic licensing for software" and said their new Java-enabled version worked with Linux. She explained the value of their "license management system" and talked of how one of its great "value-adds" was its ability to handle "multiple pricing models."
Apparently Macrovision believes there is now enough commercial software being written for Linux -- by companies that want to use encrpyted "unlock" keys to prevent unauthorized used of their precious intellectual property (sigh) -- to make it worth their while to be at LinuxWorld.
As a follow-up question, I asked how long they thought it would be until their licensing scheme was cracked. Neither Ms. Robbins nor her coworker, Pam Watkinson, had an answer for that one.
To Linux Software Vendors (Score:5, Interesting)
by MyGirlFriendsBroken
Is Mac OS X a big enough competitor (for want of a better word) to the Linux server/desktop market to warrant porting products over to either OS X or to Darwin?
This is with focus on the server side.
I asked Pete Goodall of Ximian this one. He said, "Not that it's not viable, it's just a lot of work. We have no plans [to port to OS X] at this time."
One of the software engineers at Cylant (whose CylantSecure 2.0 was named Best Security Solution at LinuxWorld) said, when asked about a Mac OS X or Darwin port, "That's not for us, I don't think. No." He ruminated for a second, then added, "That's because there aren't enough Mac servers to make it worthwhile."
Which will come first, Duke Nukem Forever or KDE 3.1?
i don't know about duke nukem, but 3.1 is here today. http://www.kde.org/ftpmirrors.html. check the mirrors.
Perhaps the word the questioner was looking for was:
vulterine
Main Entry: vulturine
1 : of, relating to, or characteristic of vultures
2 : RAPACIOUS, PREDATORY
How do you think that companies like nVidia design and test their chips? Answer: by running expensive electronic design automation tools and simulators, mainly on big server farms running Linux or Solaris. Almost all of these tools, which cost thousands to tens of thousands per seat, use a flexlm-based license manager. With this kind of setup, as many machines as you like can have the tool installed, but the tool checks out a license from the networked license server in order to operate.
Your question about how long it would take people to crack such schemes isn't interesting: it is not extremely difficult for a good assembly language programmer to crack it, by, for instance, patching the binary executable with a hex editor. However, in practice this does not matter, as the price of being caught might well be expulsion from the chip design business: you can't design chips without tools, you need upgrades to the tools on a regulat basis thanks to Moore's Law, so you can't piss off your suppliers. In that sense, your license manager is just a technique to monitor your compliance with your contract (e.g. that you have 250 Verilog simulator licenses).
Tim also said, "We're right across the street from Microsoft. We sell a lot of stuff to Microsoft people. There's a lot of Linux running at Microsoft. A lot of Microsoft developers prefer to work with Linux."
Not to take away from anything that was said but they are not across from the main Microsoft campus, but rather between the smaller satellite and the main campus. This gives them less MS visibility though, than being across the street.
"Not knowing when the dawn will come, I open every door." - Emily Dickinson
No, I didn't create the word; so I'm just taking an uninformed guess. "Vulterant" (vulturent) might be a created term meaning "in the style of a vulture or buzzard"? Since a "vulture" can be defined as "a person of a rapacious, predatory, or profiteering nature." and this is of what Redhat was accused with their mucking about with KDE; the derivation reads logically to me.
Then again, perhaps "buzzardly" was already taken or wasn't politically correct enough.
Qvacks.
Anyone have any experience with this Services For Unix thing?
It is pretty cool. It's nice to have an NFS share tab right along the SMB tab, all integrated into the GUI and MMC.
Of course, it's pretty pathetic that you have to spend another hundred bucks on TOP of the ~$800 you paid for 2000 Server just to get it export NFS shares, like every other OS on the planet.
Disclaimer: I am the CTO Cylant.
:) Since early 2000 various different companies and goverenmental organizations have evaluated and experimented with CylantSecure, so far we've consistently gotten positive feedback.
We've been running CylantSecure on our external systems for the past couple of years. We've been eating our own dog food, so to speak. All I can say is, "mmm, tasty!"
To make evaluating CylantSecure easier, it has a built in 30 day fully-featured evaluation period.
scottwimer
-- Intrusion prevention for Linux servers. www.cylant.com
ftp://master.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/3.1/
Really, it is.
I work at Cylant, I was the engineer asked the question about porting to Mac OS X.
I also run Mac OS X at home on my powerbook, so it's not like my answer was put out in an attempt to poison the platform. I do think that Apple's servers can hold their own, they do lack a little variability but they have a great package for the low-middle range.
The above poster was absolutely correct, security in today's market is seen as an afterthought. You have functionality that *must* be provided and if you can find some mechanisms to provide security on your systems that are being put at risk it is only then that security becomes something you are willing to purchase.
The Xserve is a great little server, but most of its installations are internal to provide print and file services. CylantSecure is more targetted to internet servers where Mac OS X isn't making large enough inroads. I work for a computer security vendor, but I know better than to think a security product can be the "killer app" that drives someone to a platform. The most important thing a company has to provide is functionality, security and reliability are for making sure there are no problems with providing the functionality.
Anyway, those are just some qualifications for why I responded with what I did.
Now it does return at least one result. Damm, google is FAST.
I once had a chance encounter with a woman who turned out to be an employee of flexlm. I asked her if it had ever been cracked and she said "oh yes, several times." She said that the company always takes legal action and has successfully silenced all cracks. Her statement is undoubtedly true since flexlm is and has always been a crappy product, largely unchanged for years, to think that they stumbled upon the perfect copy protection scheme is ridiculous.
They didnt.
See here
Why does this merit a "sigh"? They're not talking about another DRM implementation here - apparently Roblimo doesn't understand this.
Asset and License Management Software has been around for years. In case you're confused, Macrovision is NOT talking about the product activation you see in Windows XP or TurboTax. Rather, they're talking about something like KeyServer, which allows large organizations to buy one copy of Photoshop or something, and "Key" it, so that it can only be unlocked by talking to a KeyServer. This allows you specify the number of concurrent users on the network, and any other number of restrictions (which workstations can use it, etc). This is extremely cost-effective for companies - they buy, say, 5 licenses of photoshop, key it, and then make sure only 5 users can use it at once. Thus, when the BSA comes knocking on the door and says "Hey, you have 100 computers - we demand 100 licenses", they can say "sorry, we enforce concurrent use of no more than 5 copies of the app. Have a nice day." It also prevents employees from stealing a copy of Photoshop and taking it home with them (it won't work). However, this solution is only available on Windows and Mac (and, for the longest time, it was Mac only). I don't see why this is such a problem that it now runs on Linux.
What this means is that WidgetCo, which uses, say, Matlab, and has 200 workstations, can save a ton of money by only purchasing 50 licenses. The MathWorks (matlab makers) won't have a problem with this as long as they can be assured that no more than 50 copies will be running concurrently. (And no, the honor system doesn't work anymore). FLEXlm software (what Macrovision is offering) can help assure this. This setup is what many colleges or large institutions use to assure that commerical software on UNIX is abiding by the terms of their licensing agreements or package deals.
So now WidgetCo can save even more money, because instead of having to buy costly Solaris licenses to run a platform that supports licensing software, they can now use Linux, and yet another big institution will be running GNU/Linux.
I know it would be nice if everyone using Linux also used other GNU software to get their jobs done, but really, there's always going to be commerical software. We should be cheering the fact that there is one less obstacle for large organizations to adopt Linux and still maintain their licensing agreements with the big commercial software firms. In fact, FLEXlm has been around for a long time (at least since '91), but it was only for certain flavors of UNIX (read: Solaris). All that happened is that Macrovision bought out the company, and released a version that runs on Linux. Good for them.
There is no sig, there is only Zuul.
Macrovision. Corrected. Thanks.
- Robin
Just goes to show that some moderators don't even check on something before they click :-(
db
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Normally I let paraphrasings, and out of context statements go, they exist and you live with them. And I know Rob wasn't being vulterantinentatioustic.
But, since this post took issue with specific phrasing that fell even out of the quotes, let me clarify:
Problem One: I never let Rob finish his question. He said "A reader wants to know..." I said "Why 'we broke KDE'?"... to which he replied "Yeah, have you seen the post?"...I said "No, but we've been accused of it enough times for me to guess..." and went into the same answer I have always given (which comes later.)
As such, I never dealt with the issue, which is a false assertion that we are "breaking KDE apps", false for one, b/c there is one known issue, with one qt library, affecting KDE, and no third party apps. And two b/c 'broke' in the context of being 'vulterant' implies we did it on purpose.
Sigh. Which I might as well mention was the attempted point of a follow up poster, that breaking something accidentally, implies incompetence. Many times this is called a bug. Trying to do what we did, is a complex task. The fact that there was one known library incompatibility is a pretty mean feat.
Now that I've answered the question readers actually asked, let me go ahead and clarify what is left to look like "Red Hat says, run Bluecurve and it breaks, run KDE and you're okay..."
Do I have to say how stupid I would look actually saying that? Or how career limiting the manuever might be?
Here's what I said, or much closer, and certainly in fuller context:
(Recall my seguay into the canned answer) "Breaking software in our release only makes us look bad, any breakages are incidental. The most complaints *I have heard* were from those trying to switch out of Bluecurve and run the default KDE, and of those left, most were configuration issues lost in an upgrade. Those running KDE natively *or* the default, don't seem to be complaining."
Or words to that effect. Another reader brought in Gnome, which never really came up beyond the Bero part, but I might as well get to that too, as it's related to this post's focus on 'only in Red Hat's default hybrid...'
I would never call Bluecurve a hybrid, nor did I. This is most likely why this part was left out of quotes. Bluecurve is a theme, and default configuration. The behavior of gtk or qt apps that look the same, are a result of this, not an effort to hybridize or negate anything.
Bero barely came up. I wouldn't say there was any 'big problem' with Bero's departure, other than a quality engineer is no longer with the company. Yes he was our KDE package maintainer. But he's still fighting to good fight at his own company. Red Hat has had more Gnome developers than KDE for awhile now.
--jeremy
I've used it for awhile. It basically has 3 parts: NFS (client and server), korn shell (and really basic utils), and Perl. (It also has a revamped telnet server, but so what?) The NFS stuff is... well, NFS. I hate NFS. (For some reason, I keep getting it cocked up such that I need a reboot.) The shell is worthless. The Perl is ActiveState's version, and you can get that for free anyway.
If you really want to put a bunch of Unix tools on Windows, you ought to look at CygWin. I've tested it only briefly, and it's even got an X server. In that regard, it's pretty cool. You can load what bits you want and leave the rest out.
The problem with putting Unix tools on Windows is that it's still Windows. I'm not trying to be funny here. The main advantage of having a shell is being able to administrate the system under which the shell is running. While it might be nice to do some awk'ing and sed'ing natively under Windows, you still can't do a whole lot of administration with it. Let's face it, for more than a few lines of shell script, Perl's a better way to go these days. At that point, what's the use of spending money on this product? NFS? Just put samba on your NFS servers instead and quit fooling around with the clients.
Acts 17:28, "For in Him we live, and move, and have our being."