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OpenBSD (Still) Seeks UltraSparc III Docs From Sun

An anonymous reader writes "There is a very interesting article on kerneltrap regarding OpenBSD's lingering battle with Sun over UltraSparc III documentation (that's right ... it still hasn't been resolved). Jeremy Andrews relates his efforts to get a position from Sun on the matter. In summary, he was completely stonewalled ... and that is exactly what makes the article so noteworthy."

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  1. Re:Sun And Documentation... by LeftHanded · · Score: 4, Informative

    Great story! However, you can get all kinds of user manuals, hardware manuals, software manuals, etc from http://docs.sun.com You can read them on-line, download Adobe Acrobat versions, and purchase the documents as well. It's a lot easier than it used to be... HMM, no Sparc 1 manual, but the Sparc Classic and similar is at http://docs.sun.com/db/doc/801-2176-13:

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  2. Re:Sun And Documentation... by Andrew+Francis · · Score: 5, Informative
    Sun, with ANY kind of documentation, is going to be a royal pain in the ass. Here, i'll give you a personal example. One day, I picked up a SparcStation 1 at a surplus auction.

    My experience was quite different. I was trying to get some Sun Xterminals (rather old; they were basically Sparcstation 2's without hard drives) booting and serving up displays from a Red Hat machine, instead of the aging Sparcserver we were about to retire.

    We had support contracts with Sun for several machines, but not the Xterminals or the Sparcserver they booted from. I put in a request with Sun (via a web form) anyway. Within a few hours, someone at the local Sun office was on the phone to me. The next morning, I had a single copy of the manuals on my desk, via courier.

    PS - there's a heap of stuff on docs.sun.com

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  3. Re:Why ever would they give up the IP ? by flynn_nrg · · Score: 3, Informative

    "Sun doesn't actually fab anything. They only do the chip design, and have them fab out-of-house."

    Absolutely. Given the small volume of UltraSparc cpus produced every year (very small compared to the x86 world), it would be extremely expensive for them to have an own fab. During my work at Sun I saw USIIi cpu boards made by companies like IBM (those had the well known ecache bug) and Sony.

  4. Re:Why ever would they give up the IP ? by dagnabit · · Score: 3, Informative

    Low volume isn't the only reason they don't fab themselves... outsourcing that process allows Sun to seek best-of-breed fab technology without having to invest huge $$ in fab infrastructure and then have to "get their $$ worth" out of it. Which makes the stockholders happy (happy as can be, anyway...)

    And TI (their main fab partner) gets the symbiotic benefit of having a reason to accelerate and chase the latest and greatest fab stuff to then use on their _own_ products (mainly DSP chips).

  5. Re:More pressing issues for Sun by guacamole · · Score: 3, Informative

    But it's OpenBSD, so they don't care. Linux people are telling Theo to "suck it up" and sign an NDA.

    Acutally, the Linux/SPARC developers did suck it up and sign the NDA to get the docs.