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Lust After The Sony Clie NZ90

V0rtex writes "Once again, Sony is ahead of the game with their new Clie PEG-NZ90. View the specs here. Not to be released until the end of February, this one is packed with some long awaited features since the NX70V such as built in bluetooth and the 2 megapixel camera with flash. Is it really that great? Check out a couple reviews. It would be nice if they would include the faster (400 MHz) version of the XScale processor and step the internal memory up a bit, but this one carries an $800 price tag as it is." Even if it has issues, I think any step towards integrating the vast array of personal electronics (Cel Phone, MP3 Player, PDA, Digital Camera) is a good one. And this looks like the first PDA with a real camera.

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  1. Sony by papasui · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The thing that holds me back from buying Sony products is their memory stick. If they would use Smart Digital or Compact Flash I'd get one is a heartbeat.

    1. Re:Sony by ackthpt · · Score: 4, Interesting
      The thing that holds me back from buying Sony products is their memory stick. If they would use Smart Digital or Compact Flash I'd get one is a heartbeat.

      I've expressed similar sentiment on /. before and got drilled a bit, because Memory Stick has become cost competitive with Smart and Compact. Personally, I use Compact for everything and wouldn't like having to spend the money twice.

      I do have some reservations about Sony's quality, as a rising number of reviews are finding problems with Sony's quality. It seems after Akio Morita died the company's focus appears less on innovation and solid quality, more on innovation and maximizing profit drawing on Sony's reputation. I get burned once and I seldom give a second chance. There are so many players in the various tech markets these days.

      Has anyone had quality issues with Clié units?

      Lastly: This page renders like sh!t in Netscape. How very unprofessional.

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    2. Re:Sony by javatips · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'm not the original poster but here is my answer to the question.

      I have a digital camera which use SD cards, if I want to use the PDA to view the pictures in the card, I need a PDA that can read SD cards.

      All other (major) Palm OS manufacturer are putting SD slots in the PDA. Expect to see more devices/software availlable for SD slots that memory sticks.

      If I buy the Sony PDA and want interoperability I have to buy other Sony devices.

      On the other hand, if I buy a device which use technology that nmany manufacturer support, then my choice as a consumer are greater.

      So for me, a Sony PDA is a no go just because of the absence of SD support.

      That's unfortunate as they do produce GREAT PDAs.

    3. Re:Sony by NMerriam · · Score: 5, Informative

      The main reason is that the Memory Stick, in implementation, sucks in just about every way imaginable.

      It is bigger than SD/MMC, more expensive per MB than just about any other removable media, slower, and is still maxed out at 128 MBs.

      Sony has been promising gigabyte memory sticks for years, and just recently they announced that not only will it be delayed further, but in fact they won't work on ANYTHING but new devices.

      I'm the very happy owner of a Sony NR70V, but to suggest memory sticks are even remotely competetive with the plethora of compactflash and SD/MMC available in stores today is ridiculous.

      The sooner Sony gives up on this stupid attempt to control storage media, the better off they and their customers will be.

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  2. Integrated "PDA" by Maeryk · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Check out Sony-Ericsson's new phones. I have the T-62u and it does a lot of these things out of the box, or with an attatchment. It has an attachable 32MB mp3 player, can take a camera, has a calendar, alarm, is synchable with Outlook and features GPRS "high speed" data transmission.

    Its a greyscale display, but still has a nice look.. not like the T81i(I think thats the name) which is full color and features a screensaver. (Why in gods name do I need a screen saver on a phone?)

    but I think Im going to swing less towards bigass PDA's all-in-ones and more toward smaller phone style ones.

    I already have to carry my work-issued two way pager, my Multiplier geek tool kit, and my bungee badge on my belt.. adding a PDA just makes me look a bit too batman.. where adding a phone only causes me to lean to one side a little bit.

    Maeryk

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  3. Size <--, Price --> by ackthpt · · Score: 4, Funny
    Size <--, Price -->

    With this trend I foresee the following:

    "Repeat after me: With this PDA I thee wed."

    "With this PDA I thee wed."

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  4. HEAVY! by waytoomuchcoffee · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The thing is a brick. 10.3 oz? And $800? Come on. Why not get a laptop?

    I really, really, REALLY hope Sony gets off this everything-but-the-kitchen-sink kick, and release a lightweight, full screen version of the Clie. Hell, I have been using the Palm OS for years, but my Ipaq 1910 is on it's way now, because it is approximately the same size/weight as a Palm V.

  5. incredible by Boromir+son+of+Faram · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm continuously amazed by the stuff they can cram into these little devices these days. And the comment about a more powerful processor had me ROFL...this thing's faster than my PC for glory's sake!

    I sometimes question the value of integrating everything. It's cool and all, but I sort of like the modularity of things as they stand. Like if I'm in a meeting I can have my PDA but leave the cell phone behind, and I can go jogging with my mp3 player and not have to bring the camera along too.

    Still, I don't think we should be too hasty. If wielded with wisdom and with the desire to defend, the Sony Clie NZ90 could save us from the doom that grows nearer with each dawning day.

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  6. Not Bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    But I made a laundry list of features yesterday of what I want in a handheld/phone:

    Integerated Cell Phone
    MP3 Playback
    Voice Recorder
    GPS
    Memory slot (SD, Flash etc...)
    Calender/Scheduling etc...
    Full operating system (either Linux or PocketPC)
    Clamshell design (hate having to use a stupid case)
    At least 3 Megapixel Camera with optical zoom

    I think we will have this in about 2-3 years and it will cost $500.

    Any other features I've forgot?

  7. With commands like that ... by burgburgburg · · Score: 4, Funny
    It's so much easier to know how I should respond to stories when Editors take the time to specify my emotional reaction. Why can't everyone be this considerate?

    Knowing me, I probably would have been bored/vaguely amused if I was left to my own devices. Then where would we be? And since I try to limit lust to interactions with my wife, I totally would have missed the mark on this one.

    Thank Cmdr. Taco kids.Thank you Taco

  8. Overintegration by dschuetz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Even if it has issues, I think any step towards integrating the vast array of personal electronics (Cel Phone, MP3 Player, PDA, Digital Camera) is a good one. And this looks like the first PDA with a real camera.

    I agree, but only to a point.

    Integrating an MP3 player with my Palm sounds like a cool idea, at least it did when most MP3 players were stuck at 64 or 128 MB of storage. Now that we've got many 20+ gigabyte players out there, a "real" MP3 player will never fit in a PDA (at least not until we can get HD-like capacities in flash or extremely low power drives).

    Getting a cell phone integrated is good, for cool factor, but I wouldn't want one. For one, I'd be tied to whatever local providers had service for my particular model. Unless you could trade in a CDMA version for a GSM version the next time I get annoyed with my wireless carrier, then this simply won't fly for many people. Plus, I can certainly see a need to talk on the phone while looking something up -- which you can't do with an integrated unit unless you put it in speakerphone mode (or carry a plug-in earpiece/microphone).

    And, finally, maybe this new Clie has a "real" digital camera, but please define "real." Compared to 640x480 2nd generation cameras, maybe it's cool, but compared to modern 4 megapixel cameras? How big is the lens opening (which helps to drive its sensitivity to low-light situations)? How quickly will you drain the batteries when using the flash?

    I think it's important to remember what made PDAs, especially Palm-powered ones, so popular in the first place. They filled a need, not for a "laptop in your shirt pocket," but for a quick way to take notes, keep contact lists together, etc. I'd say that as far as PDAs take that same approach to integrated features like MP3s or photos, that's a Good Thing. The PDA approach to these should be to allow users to listen to "an album or two" and to take "an occasional photo of the whiteboard that you just filled with a world-changing idea."

    But if they're trying to make a PDA into a "PowerMac in your shirt pocket," then it'll fail. And it should -- there will always be far better cameras / mp3 players / phones available than what's integrated into a PDA.

  9. Um... by Some+Bitch · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...but this one carries an $800 price tag as it is." Even if it has issues...

    For $800 I sure as hell don't want it to have 'issues'. Linux has 'issues', I'm willing to deal with them because it's free. If it cost $800 I'd laugh and ask for a refund.

  10. Free Leather Case! by rot26 · · Score: 4, Funny


    Woo hoo!

    How can they afford it?

    I noticed another great deal the other day too.... new Ferarris are coming with FLOOR MATS!

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  11. Clies are emulated Palm OS devices... by iamacat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Don't forget that the thing has an ARM processor but most of the user code is written as 68K and emulated on the device. There is a way to write some code as ARM, but it's pretty painful (no global variables, C++ features or debugger). This got to be more overhead than copying some files into memory.

    1. Re:Clies are emulated Palm OS devices... by ardiri · · Score: 5, Informative

      > of the user code is written as 68K and emulated on the device

      damn.. i had moderator points - but, i figured my input in this story was better than moderating it :) as for how the OS5 devices run, i have posted a few stories in the past to /. and, a few of them are here in other stories:

      http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=35839&cid=38 73 166

      and, some other postings specific to native code in the ogg/vorbis threads. [maybe of interest - more specific to development of native arm code]

      http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=46474&cid=47 87 743
      http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=46474&cid =4787 183

      as a developer, having 400Mhz is nice. we have a 3D engine (raycaster based) running on 68k units, and, we were able to seriously enhance it for arm units:

      http://mobilewizardry.com/board/viewtopic.php?t= 13 4

      its been solely possible due to the extra processing power. while some may argue its only an emulated system - the extra Mhz means palmos can do pocket pc stuff :) - having 400Mhz would give us even more fun stuff to experiment around with. the real issue we are running into is the differences with ARM implementation, mainly OMAP and XScale. sony adopted XScale, Palm adopted OMAP. there are some slight issues between the two, which, gives different 'running speeds' for native arm code.

      > There is a way to write some code as ARM, but it's pretty painful

      it is not painful to write ARM code :) it just takes a bit of thinking and good design. we have been writing ARM code for palmos way before the pubic devices were available - it was fun figuring out how native arm code works and rebuilding cross compilers :)

  12. Re:No -- it's Sony's history that stops me by MickLinux · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I just have a habit of not buying things from companies that turn evil.

    I'm a Mac person, and remember the Sony CDs that break Ibooks. So I decided "Sony's out".

    Within the next 6 months, I noticed reports of Sony quality being down, so I don't regret my decision either.

    In line with that, I also dropped HP from my list of "good companies" when Lucent's marketing manager was hired as their new president, and all the old management fled. Lucent, if you remember, came up with those wonderful closed architecture WinModems that -- as it later turned out-- died within a year due to quality problems. Now, as it turns out, I find that HP has been short-filling their inkjet cartridges.

    Same kind of decision about Sears. When their middle managers had to sue their upper managers for firing them when they refused to continue to attend Scientologist courses that said "cheat the customer..." I decided it was time to give my business to other companies. In the following years, I did not regret it.

    It's just too bad that with all the fluid hiring and firing, and stock changing hands, it's a bit hard to keep up with what companies. But when they go bad, it's usually permanent. So once you find an apple going bad, it does make sense to throw it out.

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  13. How about a screen? by Preston+Pfarner · · Score: 4, Funny

    With a 2 megapixel camera and a 0.15 megapixel display, does anyone else think that PDA makers are concentrating on the wrong features?