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World's Most Annoying IE Toolbar
nautical9 writes "Following the same devious footsteps of the infamous Bonzi Buddy, Gator, and Comet Cursor "enhancements", Xupiter now has their own self-installing toolbar for IE. There are many claims that if you leave your security preferences at their default level, it will install itself without your express permission. And once on your system, it's gracious enough to reset your homepage to xupiter.com, forward all your searches to their search engine, download and automatically launch applications (like gambling applets), and blocks all attempts to set these back to normal. Removing it isn't trivial either - it automatically checks for updates upon reboot, where it constantly changes the registry settings it uses, making the jobs of spyware removal programs like AdAware or Spybot Search & Destroy much harder. No word yet if it collects and forwards personal data."
to their credit, Xupiter's search engine returns the best quality squirrel porn I've ever seen.
No, if you leave your security preferences at their default level, things like this will not install. That is clearly FUD. Even if you have your security preferences a notch lower, it will still prompt you to confirm installation.
People get into the habbit of clicking "OK" whenever something pops up. Next thing they know, they have Gator and all sorts of junk installed.
Amazing magic tricks
Thanks a lot. I clicked on the link, and now I have this stupid toolbar installed!
idm owns me
Oh yea... as if they're going to go through all of that trouble and deception and not collect and forward personal data.
Right.
-S
--- What parts of "shall make no law", "shall not be infringed", and "shall not be violated" don't you understand?
It's pretty easy to use Moz or Opera, which never started going down the security-hostile path of automated installation from *web pages*. And bookmarking. And so forth.
:-)
If you're using IE, you're running a piece of software *on your machine* which is advertising and providing the ability for a web page to basically screw your system up. If precisely this happens...well, you should have tried another browser.
(If you don't like the Moz suite approach, try Phoenix)
May we never see th
Help, help! My Bonzi Buddy is eating my Gator, and my Comet Cursor is header for a direct impact with Xupiter!!!
Sig.i>
We need laws for everything!
Every time I wiggle my mouse around or push my spacebar I need a law to clearly define what I'm doing, what my rights and responsibilities are, and what the punishments are if I wiggle that mouse a little bit too far to the left!
Laws, laws, more laws! We dont have enough laws!
People are too stupid to live lives themselves or take any sort of personal responsibility! We need laws and lawyers and lawsuits!
More LAWS! Laws are the answer.
I'm writing my congressman right now, demanding more and increasingly complicated laws!
I don't need no instructions to know how to rock!!!!
I've got default security settings and while it certainly displayed a few popups nothing else got installed. If however the user clicks 'OK' to things being installed without checking what they really do first then you get what you expect. :)
Rule of thumb: Never install anything while browsing when it pops up and says "Hi install me for extra wizzy things!!!".
Martin Piper
Owner - ReplicaNet and RNLobby
Xupiter is also being bundled along with at least one peer-to-peer file sharing program
Anyone know which P2P one it is?
(Mainly so I can avoid it.)
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If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck then it's usually pretty safe to say that it's a duck. In this case all of these enhancements sound like viruses to me, or at least a derivitave of a virus. Where viruses had to be cleverly coded in order to be as small as possible and avoid detection by a skilled hacker these new pieces of code are large and increasingly rely on being able to remove software that would remove it.
If you modify my system without me requesting it then you've installed a virus on my system. I should be able to call the FBI computer crimes division and get proceedings underway that result in you getting some nice free government accomodations.
Chris Kuivenhoven is a thief, beware
Might be fun to slashdot the site for a while to, uh, "thank" them for their generous "gift"
:)
Also, site said to report any problems to help@xupiter.com. How many requests do you think they'll get about the toolbard?
I have no
***//MESSAGE TERMINATED//INSERTING REPLACEMENT//***
XUPITER IS GREAT! EVERYONE NEEDS XUPITER! IT CAN TYPE FOR YOU! WHY DON'T YOU INSTALL XUPITER NOW?
Xupiter Xupiter Xupiter Xupiter Xupiter Xupiter Xupiter Xupiter Xupiter Xupiter Xupiter Xupiter Xupiter Xupiter Xupiter Xupiter Xupiter Xupiter Xupiter Xupiter Xupiter Xupiter Xupiter Xupiter
Rock!
Could this be considered malicious? Is there any sort of legal action you could take against the company for installing the software (hacking your machine) without your permission?
It's interesting, if a teenage computer wiz went on someones website and changed the configuration and wrote lets say "riaa is ass" they'd be charged, why is this any different? If I hack (hypothetically) into the Xupiters site and alter it, am I released from any legal liability because they did it to my machine first? Sort of like a cyber self-defence?
But...but...I want my browser taken over too! We Mac users never any get any of the cool stuff Windows does...::snifff::
CDE open sourced! https://sourceforge.net/projects/cdesktopenv/
There is also no word in yet if it will blast your brain with secret radio waves that will make you submit to secret commands from the government but it's a good idea to always wear your tin-foil hat anyways.
Sheesh...
All the best,
--Bob
Stuff like this IS probably illegal in the US. However, the company programming this is in Hungary, according to the Wired article. Gonna be fairly tough to put any lawyers against them here. Legislation against this stuff won't do much good either. Foreign countries don't much care what our congress legislates and passes into law.
The probability that someone is watching you is directly proportional to the stupidity of your actions.
The problem with these damn things is that you never quite know how they got onto your machine. I'm always very careful about what I install, and which dialog boxes I say "OK" to, but there's always the possibility that I accidentally let something slip through. I suppose that's why people aren't 100% sure if it can install itself right from IE without confirmation.
I'm getting increasingly sick of using IE, but I'm constantly running across sites that Mozilla just can't handle properly (or swiftly). And yes, I've cranked up the security level, though god knows why there exists any level of "security" that would allow unconfirmed installs.
Would be to activate IE's "Disable 3rd Party Extensions" option (In IE6: Tools-> Internet Options-> Advanced -> 12th Option Under the "Browsing" section)..
I was fixing somebody's computer that had this toolbar installed and it would crash IE every time you opened IE (Or tried browsing the web via windows explorer). But once I Disabled 3rd Party Browser Extensions, it worked fine...
Here's an alternative way to use the Security Zones of Internet Explorer to protect you from crap like this.
First, set the "Trusted Sites" zone to the "MEDIUM" level.
THIS MAKES YOUR TRUSTED SITES ZONE THE SAME AS THE NORMAL INTERNET ZONE.
(People seem to flame this idea as a security risk without understanding that last bit)
Then, modify the "Internet Zone" and disable Active Scripting.
Finally, add all your favourite sites to the "Trusted Sites" zone.
You can now enjoy the full functionality of JavaScript etc. on your frequently visited sites including the usual protection of the Internet Zone.
Any site not in the Trusted Sites list cannot use JavasSript and so prevents pop-ups and other nasties such as self installing spy-ware.
I did get this toolbar without clicking yes to anything. I wasn't on xupiter's website. I was browsing and after i was done i closed explorer. When i opened it back up late there was the tool bar. I still dont know where i got it. It took me a while to figure out who it belonged to and how to rid myself of it. I flamed away afterwards.
-Foxxz
On my Windows 98 SE box, I now browse with Phoenix almost all the time. I've discovered, though, that some browser downloads Internet Explorer asks me about, Phoenix installs automatically. (Phoenix seems a little too promiscuous about accepting Java, and doesn't remove .class files when it flushes the cache. Check the %WINDIR%/.jpi_cache/ directory structure.)
It's the kind of thing you might expect from a 0.5 release; unfortunately, it's not the kind of thing you should only expect from Microsoft.
Stupid job ads, weird spam, occasional insight at
Time to recheck my security settings. ..bruce..
Bruce F. Webster (brucefwebster.com)
*duh* I DIDN'T install it. It happily installed itself, and no, I didn't just mindlessly click through everything that popped up on my screen. It hijacked IE, and I couldn't kill it until I installed Spybot.
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In this country (UK) we have something called the 'Computer Missuse Act'. This is a very dull piece of legislation which says (among other things) that using someones computer without their consent is illegal. Any program which runs on your computer without your explicit consent therefore violates this. If you click 'Okay', on the other hand...
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RTFA: many people find the uninstaller doesn't work. And do you really trust that the uninstaller will remove any spyware they may leave behind? I mean, such a company must have incredibly high moral standards. They wouldn't do anything like leave behind spyware like Kazaa...
I don't know about this week's version of the uninstaller, but previous versions were nice enough to leave behind big chunks of the program. Still running. Sort of the way a tick will leave its head behind if you yank it out with tweezers.
This is a pretty common and ugly tactic among spyware developers.
I don't know what you are talking about but Xupiter is known for taking over IE without prompting you.
I just went through 20 minutes of deleting it!
"Only one thing, is impossible for god: to find any sense in any copyright law on the planet." Mark Twain
My wife was unfortunate enough to "click through" and victimize herself with this thing. I happened to notice 20-30 different sessions being generated every few minutes through our firewall and started tcpdump to find out what was happening.
After finding that it did indeed have my wife's credit card number/home address/phone number I asked her what she used it for; She said that she didn't know where it came from but that it was causing her laptop to crash about every ten minutes ever since it added itself to her IE toolbar.
I then spent about 3.5 hours hacking the WinME registry trying to peel this thing out of her laptop because it's 'uninstall' doesn't!
In earlier versions of IE for windows (like the ones that come bundled with windows 98 or ME and maybe 2000) there is a very well-known security flaw that allows malicious code on a website to make the computer download and execute arbitrary files without confirmation from the user. Most people are too stupid to download the updates to fix that vulnerability, so they should blame themselves. But that's how spamware trojans like Xupiter often spread.
And anyway, isn't that the digital equivalent of mugging and rape? I mean they either install the thing on your computer without permission and it totally fucks with everythig, or they trick you into installing it by outright lying about it and not telling you what a piece of shit spamware/spyware TROJAN HORSE it is. Couldn't they easily be sued for fraud and/or hacking people's computers?
Repeal the DMCA!
Even aside from that, why the hell does IE do installations directly from a web page? That's beyond idiotic.
Let's see, we have the technically illiterate on one hand. These people fall prey *far* more to malicious remote-install links than they are benefitted by deliberately remote-installing software. Not benefit to IE's behavior there.
Then we have the technically ept, who are quite able to download, save, and run an installer if they really want to run it. No benefit to IE's behavior there.
Frankly, IE's behavior takes a position of extreme trust of the remote end, which is just plain *stupid* in today's world.
May we never see th
La la la la exploit, la la la la description of exploit, la la la la list of many other unpatched IE holes, some are over a year old. This one in particular is over 4 months old.
That's what you get for running IE.
REAL MEN parse the raw html in their heads and just imagine what the pictures are from the tags.
Wimp.
Somewhere along the line, my browser must have been hijacked and I got stuck with this little piece of badware. I used Ad-Aware to detect and destroy, but I got a little creative. I kept the C:\Program Files\Xupiter directory, and set the attribute to read-only. I'm hoping that any future attempted hijackings will result in the installation failing due to the inability to create or write anything into the Xupiter directory.
attrib +r "C:\Program Files\Xupiter"
My IE settings on one of my boxes was set at default, as they had never been changed. Browsing to some site (either Geocities or Tripod) evidently downloaded it and installed it. There was most definatly NO dialog box, or request to install. Literally, I came back to the machine, started IE, and there was a toolbar that wasn't there before. Freaked me out.
AdAware found it, and tried to removed it, but not everything was deleted, as there were still at least 1 or 2 DLLs that were registered and running, that couldn't be deleted. Couldn't find the processes, either. Had to use regserv to get rid of them. This company is about the lowest of the low in my book.
Wow. After my 15th or so run-in with Xupiter last week, I considered submitting this story to /. myself. Bah.
Anyhow, the best page for information and removals which I've found to date is at http://www.allentech.net/parasite/Xupiter.html
The removal info has worked every time, with the exception that on WinME it is usually possible to just drag the Xupiter folder into the Recycle Bin and delete it directly after a reboot.
I agree. But it's interesting to note that if this software had been written by an individual, rather than a corporation, the FBI would already be looking for the culprit. For some reason, corporate misbehavior is below the FBI's radar.
From the article:
It's a browser toolbar that some swear is doing "drive-by downloads" -- installing itself without users' permission -- then taking over their systems and making it impossible to uninstall.
Technically, this is a virus. And IIRC, "unauthorized alteration of a computer system" is punishable by 5 years in prison and up to a $250,000 fine.
The society for a thought-free internet welcomes you.
Hm. Sounds suspiciously like a trojan horse to me. Doesn't anyone know the difference anymore?
Sam: "That was needlessly cryptic."
Max: "I'd be peeing my pants if I wore any!"
Even aside from that, why the hell does IE do installations directly from a web page? That's beyond idiotic
So I guess you dislike mozilla too?
Hint: Google for xpinstall or go to mozdev and install a browser expansion - directroly from the web page.
It's not much different than if someone downloads a file to the desktop and decides to double-click on it.
I'd argue that it is. First they have to see a (familiar) file-dialog box pop up. They aren't just hitting "OK" in a box -- they know that they are saving a file somewhere. Even novice users are generally pretty familiar with the file open/save dialog boxes. Second, they have to navigate to their desktop. to save the file. Then they have to click "save", switch to Explorer, and then double-click the icon. Again, double-clicking is a fairly familiar action, and people are aware that yes, they are openin something. So we have many steps, including familiar steps that will tend to clue even a novice Windows user, rather than a single "OK".
Ultimately, the user should read any warning message that pops up, whether it's from IE, your anti-virus software, or from your OS.
Windows users are *innundated* by dialog boxes. Every time they delete a file. A whole slew of them when they install software. Four hours ago, my roommate was using a TV-viewing program that brough up a message box telling him that he'd "enabled option foo" each time he clicked a checkbox in the prefs dialog.
In addition, Javascript can bring up message boxes (idiotically enough, this is enabled by default by MS). So most users (*especially* Internet Explorer users) run into a ton of message boxes while browsing. Yes, perhaps they should go through each dialog box and examine it, but that's very time-consuming. If you read through Apple's Human Interface Guidelines, you'll notice that the *vast* majority of rules for menus and modal dialogs are designed around one single goal -- letting the user *not* have to examine each dialog box once they're familiar with it or boxes in similar software. The point is that Windows users are sick and tired of dialog boxes, and *do not read them* in detail. And they shouldn't *have* to be screwed over if they skim or misread a box when simply web browsing. A Javascript should not be able to take malicious, destructive action just because someone clicked "OK" in one of a series of dialogs that a Javascript popped up. To set up IE to operate this was was irresponsible in the extreme by Microsoft.
May we never see th
I work for a fairly large tech support / helpdesk outsourcing company. Programs like this are de facto viruses from the point of view of the end user. 90% of the ones that I talk to have no idea what this is or how it works, and no idea how it got installed. I remember talking to this one person who'd had Xupiter installed and their story was "Well we clicked Yes by mistake once...."
I find it hard to believe that it would install itself with everything set to default on a properly updated copy of IE 6.0 SP1. It's much more likely that Xupiter is just betting on people clicking yes to the security warning prompt.
Taken from Xupiter's end user agreement: To further enhance your media viewing experience, Xupiter reserves the right to run advertisements and promotions based on URLs and/or search terms users enter when navigating the Internet. Other enhancements and to allow access, users web browser, start page, search page, auto search option, bookmarks and default error page will be changed, along with the Xupiter accessory toolbar added to the web browser. Active desktop panel will be installed on the users desktop which will enable active desktops on the system for special promotions. Our software license requires that users browser start page be set to Xupiter.com in order to continue use of the Xupiter toolbar, from time to time we verify that users start page url is set to Xupiter.com, if it is not we reserve the right to alter it back.
Great - it enables active desktop too; what fun!
Do not taunt Happy Fun BarTM
Probably because the popup is a fake user interface dialog. How in God's name does even a novice user inadvertently grant permission for a software install when their original intent was to close the window? Or is it common knowledge these days that the X in the top right corner of a dialog box is synonymous with the OK button.
Bonzi is being sued for this, and these scumbags deserve the same.
And the woman who wears provocative clothing is asking to get raped.
What about the poor sods who have to use IE at work? What about technical neophytes? Should nobody be allowed to use a computer until they've studied CS for a couple of years and know who RMS is? I use Opera--quite happily--at home but I'm posting this (unfortunately) from a machine at work with IE, on which another browser is not an option. Educating an employer is often a slow, painful, laborious process. I'm trying, but it takes time.
~Idarubicin
So that's what this Xupiter thing is! I was visiting my family this weekend, and my sister asked me to fix her Win98 computer. IE was crashing every time she started it. I found this set of program files under this "Xupiter" directory and a bunch of load-on-startup registry items referencing them. Most of the files in this directory were locked by some running process, of course. Apparently, this Xupiter was not only self-installing but also Win98-unfriendly. And there was no uninstall program.
Restarted at DOS prompt to delete all the files. Regedit to remove every registry entry containing "Xupiter". After that, everything worked just fine, and I cranked up the security settings before I left.
Good judgment comes from experience.
Experience comes from bad judgment.
They treat it as a virus.
I followed this on friend's computer and it works.
http://vil.nai.com/vil/content/v_99904.htm
Hate to break it to you, but Mozilla does do automated installs from web pages. Just head on over to MozDev [mozdev.org] and see for yourself. Many projects, such as OptiMoz and Spellchecker, have automated install links right on the page.
Which only work if a) you actually have software installation enabled in your preferences, b) have write access to the location where mozilla is installed and c) will prompt you BEFORE it installs the software, giving the web server and the package being installed.
Automated installs are extremely useful - it's all a question of finding that balance between ease of use and ease of abuse.
Cheers,
Toby Haynes
Anything I post is strictly my own thoughts and doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the opinions of IBM.
Actually, now that I think about it, my Redhat desktop is kind of boring.....
a thirteen year old kid writes a virus that emails itself to everyone in your address book. he's found, caught, sentenced and tossed in jail.
a company comes along and writes a piece of "software" that installs itself on your computer without your knowledge, changes your preferences, watches your every move and reports it back to the marketeers, and digs itself into your system so the only way to get it out is to reinstall your entire computer... (oops, by the way, now that you're using Microsoft products, you may just have to buy a new version due to licensing BS) ... and the worst that happens to the company is some negative press (which, as we all know, bad press is better than no press at all).
so, why the hell isn't the FBI busting these peoples' door down and arresting them? what is the damn difference between what they do and what script kiddies do?
Disclaimer: I am aware that I am exaggerating, are you?
Gabriel Ricard
I had a similar situation to that some months ago except it was a tad worse.
One of my Citrix users in a remote branch managed to install Hotbar (I won't link to this particular piece of scumware) into her Outlook. What's amazing about this is that i have specifically locked them out of installing anything through policies but yet this little jewel managed to get through.
To make things worse I first noticed it when I logged into the box from home and found that I had it. And so did the other 150 users.
Talk about pissed. I punted everyone out of the system until I could manually go through every user's registry settings and nuke the little bastard which was the only way to get rid of it.
Could we please not all switch to Mozilla. Otherwise it will become commercially intresting to target Mozilla users with this kind of crap.
...can be had here: http://www.doxdesk.com/parasite/Xupiter.html
Terms
- The Xupiter software will report back to our servers what applications may be running on your system and will resolve these conflicts whenever possible
- Xupiter has included an auto update
... upgrades may include installation of third party applications
- To further enhance your media viewing experience, Xupiter reserves the right to run advertisements and promotions
- . Our software license requires that users browser start page be set to Xupiter.com
Privacy PolicySo yeah, basically the program will pop-up-ad slam you, give away your personal info, install crap software on your PC, and has the ability to change it's "terms" to allow it to do more behind your back.
The Tooth Fairy is known for leaving money in exchange...
Viruses are known for leaving megabytes of junk in Exchange.
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Xupiter claims to be based in Hungary. But it may not be.
First, Xupiter appears to be the same thing as Browserwise. The content of the two sites match, and you can download their malware from either site.
Whois for Browserwise yields:
Administrative Contact: Inc., Browserwise, admin@browserwise.com
Browserwise, Inc
15445 Ventura Blvd
Sherman Oaks, California 91413
United States
(818)229-5631
Technical Contact: Inc., Browserwise, admin@browserwise.com
Browserwise, Inc
15445 Ventura Blvd
Sherman Oaks, California 90413
United States
(818)229-5631
Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.CANDIDHOSTING.COM
NS2.CANDIDHOSTING.COM
A traceroute on Xupiter isn't particularly helpful, but a traceroute on Browserwise leads to "amateurpornhouse.com", hosted on the same server. The server is thus virtual hosted by name, but if you try it by IP address, you get Browserwise, so Browserwise is the main user of that server. "amateurpornouse" is thus either affiliated with Browserwise, or buys hosting from them.
Whois for "amateurpornhouse.com" yields:
SC Enterprises
P.O. Box 91114
Henderson, NV 89009
US
(702) 224-7750
Domain Name: AMATEURPORNHOUSE.COM
Administrative Contact:
Phucksum, Jeff webmaster@sexycouple.com
P.O. Box 91114
Henderson, NV 89009
US
(702) 224-7750
So we check Sexycouple's legal page, and find:
- Custodian of records for SC Enterprises: All records required to be maintained by 18 USC 2257 are kept by the custodian of records, Barry Levinson, 2810 South Rainbow Blvd. Las Vegas NV. 89146.
(Presumably this is not the well-known film director Barry Levinson.)Looking up "SC Enterprises" in Las Vegas, we get
134 Spinnaker Dr
Henderson, NV 89015-5639
Phone: (702) 558-8908
Also, DNS for Browserwise is provided by CandidHosting.com, next to the police station in Tampa, FL. They have to know who's behind this, so that's where to start with legal process.
That should be enough to get the lawyers started.
1. Use Mozilla.
2.Pull down Edit.
3.Select preferences.
4.Select advanced.
5.Select Scripts&plugins.
6. there are check boxes under "allow scripts to," uncheck them.
How ya like dat?
host xupiter.com
xupiter.com has address 63.236.32.50
mail is handled by mx1.xupiter.com
host mx1.xupiter.com
mx1.xupiter.com has address 63.236.50.196
whois -h whois.arin.net 63.236.32.50
Qwest Communications NET-QWEST-BLKS2 (NET-63-236-0-0-1)
63.236.0.0 - 63.239.255.255
Qwest Cybercenters QWEST-CYBERCENTER (NET-63-236-0-0-2)
63.236.0.0 - 63.236.127.255
Internext Media, Inc. QWEST-JSV-INTERNEXT1 (NET-63-236-32-0-1)
63.236.32.0 - 63.236.32.63
whois -h whois.arin.net 63.236.50.196
Qwest Communications NET-QWEST-BLKS2 (NET-63-236-0-0-1)
63.236.0.0 - 63.239.255.255
Qwest Cybercenters QWEST-CYBERCENTER (NET-63-236-0-0-2)
63.236.0.0 - 63.236.127.255
Snapshot Productions LLC. QWEST-JSV-SNPSHTPR (NET-63-236-50-192-1)
63.236.50.192 - 63.236.50.223
so I added 63.236.32.0 - 63.236.32.63 and 63.236.50.192 - 63.236.50.223
to my firewall block list, and they shalt never trouble me henceforth.
Done! Next!
Browserwise.com seems to be a totally different company, even the top level where the IP range is purchased from is different. Browserwise.com is hosted at the top level by Level 3 Communcations, while xupiter.com is hosted at the top level by Quest. I looked at both web sites (with Lynx! it's safe... ^_^) and the content does NOT seem to "match" to me.
Sorry but I think you just got carried away in your search and these two companies are not the same, or even related in anyway.
My systems are set up as minimally as possible for efficiency and reliability. For the life of me, I can't figure out how people manage to screw up their computers as badly as they often do.
I have many friends who have enormous hard drives and have filled them to the brim with all kinds of programs and downloads. Their computers, which are some of the fastest around in terms of hardware resources, run more slowly than an old 286 would if it was running Windows XP through a Pentium IV emulator written in Microsoft GW-BASIC, where the emulator's "RAM" and its processor registers reside on a slow tape drive, with each register on opposite ends of the tape. Oh, and did I mention all the graphics, sounds, windows, and other garbage that shows up all the time as they're running their computer? Just so you understand, all they ever do is write emails and write text in a word processor. But their computers are filled to the brim with crap.
I think the xupiter toolbar would be an innovative addition to my friends' highly optimized configuration.
Sincerely,
The Negra Modelo Troll
P.S., I drink Guinness too. I know I've talked smack on its flavor in the past but you have to find a bartender who knows how to pour and serve it. I can't stand the stuff out of bottles.