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ESA to Give New Life to Old Satellites

JPNews writes "The European Space Agency is designing a program (www.esa.int) to re-configure dying television transmission satellites to be used as a XM Radio-like satellite radio network. 'Once in position, 35,000 km away in space, TV satellites will remain in orbit forever, but their useful life amounts to 15 years or less... further life can be squeezed from a low-propellant TV satellite switched over to mobile digital radio broadcasting where precision position control is less important.'"

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  1. less space trash by trmj · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's good that they are looking at reusing some of the old junk that we can't effectively remove from space.

    Perhaps NASA could sell off some of their old, unused satellites to get (some of) the funding the need?

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  2. A Primer on the ESA by use_compress · · Score: 5, Informative

    from: http://www.space.com/news/spaceagencies/esa_25year s_000602.html
    However, ESA's biggest achievement of all, explained Bonacina, lies not in any one particular space project. Rather, it's the fact that 15 European nations have successfully worked together, and in cooperation with other non-European space programs, to reach a common goal.

    It's amazing how little a program this wide in scope accomplishes :)

  3. Precisely the kind of ideas aerospace needs now... by coupland · · Score: 4, Insightful

    With NASA giving the one-fingered salute to the unfairly maligned "faster-better-cheaper" programme it's nice to see the ESA taking a more pragmatic approach to things. I have a great deal of respect for NASA but I also want to see Europe, China, India and others up the ante, and this seems like a perfect example.

  4. Just when you thought it was safe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Dammit. Where'd I put my tinfoil hat.

  5. Re:internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny
    I wouldn't want internet access from an elderly satellite that's going to be wobbling all over the place in its orbit after running out of propellent.

    I can get just as unreliable access down here on the ground, thanks.

  6. To summarize by mlyle · · Score: 5, Informative

    Most older communications satelites have what are called "transponders"-- they take everything that comes in on a certain band of frequencies and plays it out on another set.

    Because usually relatively high-bandwidth analog signals with high quality requirements are sent through these transponders, and the satelites have a relatively small amount of output power, high gain antennas (big satelite dishes) are required to recover the signal, which must be very precisely pointed.

    By using digital signals and audio compression technology, suddenly the signals can be narrower bandwidth. Noise is proportional to bandwidth, and since the signal is narrower, signal/noise ratio is improved. This means high-gain antennas may no longer be strictly necessary, and thus the position of the satelite becomes less critical as the orbit decays.

    Note that this does not lock us in to a proprietary standard-- if the spectrum is allocated for this purpose, smarter digital transmitters can be put into space for the same purpose later.

    Still important is attitude control-- the satelite's antenna must be pointed down and the solar panels pointed in a useful direction. But this often uses gyroscopes, reaction wheels, and magnetic systems-- which do not use propellant.

    Finally, battery life is a question. No communications satelite is constantly receiving solar power, so if the satelite is operated while not in view of the sun, batteries on the satelite discharge. Satelites can withstand a limited number of charge cycles before they fail, and this is likely to form the true upper bound on satelite lifetime.

    In all, it's a good idea. I imagine we'll see lots of clever ways to emerge on how to use legacy hardware we've put in space, as launch costs remain so expensive.

  7. Amateur Radio by sQuEeDeN · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It would be quite cool, depending on the frequencies, if they could open the sattelites up to hams. There are a few sattelites here and there available for amateur use, but something launched by the ESA is probably waay cooler.
    Of course, this all depends on the ability of them to switch which frequencies the sattelites use--I imagine they weren't originally designed to use Ham frequencies. As for "sloppy" orbits, we hams typically have fairly sophisticated tracking equipment: a 486 pc, running any one the free tracking wares, connected to a dual-axis antenna rotator. Makes it a challenge!!

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    1. Re:Amateur Radio by Student_Tech · · Score: 4, Informative

      Not sure if this is what you meant but try http://www.amsat.org/ .

  8. Re:False. They won't stay in "permanent" orbit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    You're talking about satellites in geostationary orbit, 35,000km out. For reference the ISS is at 400km. They're as close to "permanent" as makes no odds. The moon isn't strictly in "permanent" orbit either, but no one gets too worked up about it.

  9. Re:Excuse me? by jovlinger · · Score: 4, Informative

    Never used a TV satelite dish have ya sonny? You have to aim the dish fairly accurately at the satelite, which kinda requires that it be where it should. Since you never get perfect geosynch (IANAOrbitalEngineer, but stands to reason), you need to use little spurts of attitude jets to keep in place. You'll also need these to despin the gyros that maintain attitude from time to time.

    The punchline is that these XM radio receivers, like GPS, don't require a dish to be pointed at the satelite, so it's free to stray further from it's assigned station. This allows you to use less fuel in staying in place.

    But then, you're probably a troll, so I just wasted my breath.