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Russia is suspending its space tourist program, for fairly obvious reasons. An NYT story notes that the obsolete but reliable computers driving the shuttle are to be examined as part of the inquiry. But most interestingly, a story in Aviation Week claims that a tracking camera trained on the shuttle detected damage to the wing prior to the breakup.

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  1. Re:Expect fianl report in 6 months by Hanashi · · Score: 5, Informative

    From what I've read, the shuttle doesn't have a black box. Black boxes are used to store instrument and voice data on traditional aircraft, but NASA's Mission Control serves the same purpose for the Shuttle. It archives all telemetry and voice communication, and there's no worry about having to find it later.

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  2. no black box by crow · · Score: 5, Informative

    There is no black box. This was a question at the first technical briefing on Saturday. While they do have various data recorders on board, they aren't hardened to survive a crash. For the most part, they aren't necessary, as all the relevant data is transmitted back to Mission Control in real time. Such information would only allow them to better reconstruct the last few seconds after communications were lost (some of which it turns out they did receive data from, only it was too low-power for them to process at the time). While that may be interesting, the useful information will be from earlier on in the flight when the problem first showed up.

  3. Thanks! by Matey-O · · Score: 5, Informative

    That Aviation Week article was the best recounting I've seen yet. I get so tired of that period of time between a catastrophic event and the time real information can be disseminated. Looks like I'm not alone

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  4. Re:Expect fianl report in 6 months by Enry · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'd heard mention of such a thing. There's two reasons why not:

    1) The black box would have to have a much higher tolerance than airplanes (200k ft traveling at 18kmph).

    2) (almost?) all the data that would be recorded by such a black box is already being transmitted to the ground. While the 30 seconds of garble (after voice comm. was lost) can tell more about what happened, it won't tell where the problem started. NASA has FAR more data about what happened than a black box can provide.

    In addition, such a black box could only monitor a few systems. In the event of a micrometeorite hit (there is the suggestion this happened), it would not be known until it was too late unless the impact site was being montiored. If a monitored system was hit, then the ground would know about it as well as the pilots.

  5. Re:No Rescue? by Zathrus · · Score: 5, Informative

    Because it takes anywhere from a week to a couple months to get a shuttle ready for flight.

    As it happens, Atlantis was on the pad already, but it still would've taken nearly a week to launch with minimal crew (pilot and engineer). Columbia had enough food and water to last half a week... although with rationing they may have been able to extend that sufficiently.

    Even so, what do you do then? There's no way to "dock" two shuttles and Columbia didn't have jetpack suits onboard, and I don't believe everyone was rated for EVA. You can make a "jump" from one ship to another, but that's trickier than it sounds... fortunately if you do it right and have the supplies on board then only one person has to do it - you can tether the ships together, as long as their orbits are precisely matched and close enough together. The precisely matched bit is the hard part really - it's going to take several hours to transport crew from one shuttle to the other.

    It'd probably be an effort on the level of Apollo 13.

    Afterwards you have a shuttle in a slowly degrading orbit that's going to do an uncontrolled burn up in the atmosphere -- although perhaps you can set a navigation program to activate after the crew is saved to ensure splashdown in a safe area (like the Pacific ocean). Dunno. Of course, this would have been better than what did occur.

  6. Re:No Rescue? by gravelpup · · Score: 5, Informative
    Why can't we send up a shuttle, with just a pilot crew, ie no researchers, to rescue them?

    • Discovery is in the middle of a major refit.
    • Endeavour was the last one up and is in the middle of its between-missions reconfig (engines pulled out, mods for next mission, etc.)
    • Atlantis, scheduled to go up the first of March, actually could have been launched in a week or so. But only if they said to heck with most of the safety checks. If something goes wrong (as it did on Columbia WITH all the safety stuff), you've screwed two shuttles and two crews, instead of one.
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  7. Re:Obvious? by Ctrl-Z · · Score: 5, Informative


    Did you actually read the article? Or are you just making assumptions based on the synopsis, which on this site are known to be highly inaccurate?

    Quote the article: Plans to send tourists into space have been frozen by Russia after the Columbia shuttle disaster left its Soyuz capsules as the only working link between Earth and the International Space Station.

    The point is not that space is any more dangerous as a result of the Columbia disaster. Since NASA has put flights on hold, Russia needs to use more room on the Soyuz capsules to pick up the slack. That leaves less rooms for space tourists. As quoted in the article, a Russian space agency spokesman said, "Space tourism is not a priority. State interests must come first, then commercial interests."

    I know that many people on Slashdot don't actually read the articles, but it sure helps to clear up a lot of confusion.

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