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UK Parliament Domain Without Registrar

asobala writes "According to this story at The Register, the UK parliament is using the domain www.parliament.uk. It's a top-level domain because it was registered before August 1996, before Nominet handled .uk domains. But since there is no registrar, they can't prove that they own it."

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  1. Innocent till proven guilty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative


    Innocent till proven guilty

    they cant prove they own it because they dont have to, its up to others to prove they don't own it or are not entitled to it

    simple

    1. Re:Innocent till proven guilty by egreB · · Score: 4, Informative

      It was this about reading the articles... (-8

      They were trying to register an SSL certificate with Thawte, and Thawte needed them to prove it was their own domain. Nobody could actually prove that..

      So, in this case, it's up to them to prove that they are entitled to it, though nobody forces them to. They can just not sign up with Thawte..

  2. �90 by jkcity · · Score: 2, Informative

    I tried getting out of paying my £90 to nominet UK too, seriously thats how much they charge ro renew domains without a registra, ripp off.

  3. Re:Hah by Tailhook · · Score: 4, Informative

    You misunderstand.

    Nominet controls the uk. TLD and most of the xxx.uk. SLDs.

    Nominet doesn't control parliament.uk. The authoritive name servers for uk. (Nominet's servers) return NS delegation records for parliament.uk., and those servers do not appear to be Nominet servers. Therefore, Parliament controls it's own SLD.

    Why this is difficult to deal with I don't know. Nominet should only have to confirm to Thawte that Parliament owns the SLD. Nominet controls uk. and, in turn, the UK government controls parliament.uk., what's the problem here?

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  4. Re:.co.uk - GB not UK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Of course, the question should be why doesn't the UK use its *real* ISO country code GB instead of UK

    Well, GB isn't correct. I don't want to argue history & politics, but it is currently the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. And thus, UK.

    QED

    A better question is would the UK call itself UK if Northern Ireland joined the republic?

  5. Re:Possession by shepd · · Score: 4, Informative

    >That doesn't count on any court ever existed on earth. If I get your house because you were on vacation for 9 years doesn't make me an owner.

    No, that's where you're quite wrong.

    Since we're talking about the UK, squatters rule. In fact, this attitude seems to pervail in about 25% of the world (europe). AFAIK, the idea that squatters have no rights at all is part of an EXTREME minority of the world (about 5% of the world's population).

    Posession is very much 9/10s of the law. Any lawyer will tell you that, and it's about the only true thing they'll ever tell you.

    I had this discussion earlier: What if part of the space shuttle that just blew up landed on your property and you chose to keep it, violating laws against meddling with federal investigations? What powers does the government have to recover it (no, not just put you in jail, but actually recover the item)? And if they do recover it, how much will you be able to sue for?

    Posession of anything that isn't outright illegal is 9/10s of the law. That's why there's special "drug war" laws that allow the government to take your drug paraphenalia. Without them, upon release from prison, they'd have to hand your bong/crack pipe back, because they're yours.

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  6. Re:.co.uk - GB not UK by skington · · Score: 5, Informative

    There was a discussion about this on the Nominet mailing lists recently. The most convincing reason is Northern Ireland.

    The official name of the UK is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. "Great Britain" is the island that includes England, Wales, Scotland and the multitude of little islands, which includes the Isle of Wight (part of England), the Isle of Man (not really part of the UK at all), and doesn't include the Channel Islands (which are closest to Normandy, which the French refer to as the Anglo-Norman islands, but otherwise are as British as the Isle of Man).

    "GB" would be a useful code, except that it excludes Northern Ireland, and if you've followed Northern Irish history at all you'll know that the the protestants / Unionists in Northern Ireland are very fond of being part of the UK, and would vehemently protest to the UK being known by a code, "GB", that explicitly did not include them.

    So, way before ICANN's official policy to use the ISO country codes for ccTLDs, and even though Ukraine had a strong claim to .uk, the powers that be decided on using .uk for British domains, and it's stuck ever since.

  7. Re:.co.uk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
    The DNS system is pretty much full of inconsistencies anyway (.tv, .cx, hmm what else?).


    Until just a week ago a great example of an inconsistency would heve been the Dutch system where - unless you had a company - you could only register name.123.nl, so you had to have three rediculous numbers before the .nl ... Hope they fired (or should I say shot?) the guy responsible for that rule!