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DoC to Extend ICANN's Control of IANA
Luminous Coward writes "I first saw this on The Register. Kevin Murphy of Computerwire reports: The US Department of Commerce last week quietly published a document detailing its decision to "sole-source" the contract for the so-called IANA (Internet Assigned Numbers Authority) function to ICANN, as opposed to opening the contract for competitive bidding. ICANNWatch explains why this is a bad idea. They also report that the ccTLDs and the Internet Multicasting Service have expressed interest in running IANA."
Look, you can see by my sig that I'm as into a good political mud slinging contest as anyone, but less face the facts here. This is not a big deal. Things could be better, but it would be a .1% improvement, not a huge earth-shaking event.
Let's concentrate on the things that really matter folks.
IANAL, but if ICANN takes control of IANA, then the ccTLDs just SOL and the IMS are FUBAR'd, IMHO.
IANA and the RIRs are pretty much the last vestiges of the "independent Internet" authorities as we know them. Once ICANN gets their grubby hands on IANA, I think the final nail is in the coffin of the "free (as in speech) Internet".
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What part of this does anyone NOT see as hideously WRONG?! Every day, another domino falls, and I feel more and more like a slave to the Pharoahs of Washington D.C. Is there nothing left for us to do except just sit the hell down and accept our yoke of submission like a good little peon?
What banner do we have that the vast majority of us can rally under to stop this stupidity? I mean, we all pay lip service to "supporting the cause", but action is pretty thin right now. I'm one to talk, too.
-SS "Teach the ignorant, care for the dumb, and punish the stupid."
Whatta ya bet Dyson's gonna try to jump back on the ICANN bandwagon she just jumped off of?
I see even classic Slashdot is now pretty much unusable on dial up anymore.
Perhaps its time that the running of the internet be taken out of any one nations hands. Perhaps the correct solution is to no longer leave the controlling body's in the hands of the US. Perhaps the running of the internet should become a United Nations function?
Power Corrupts,Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely, leaving one person(group)in charge is absolutely corrupt.
It seems ICANN is headed the way of so many other organizations that have forged a "special" relationship wih the givernment. Inevitably, we've all seen how this type of government-backed exclusivity causes the organization to ge just plain lazy, since they're not under pressure to perform if they're under contract. Why the DoC's huge interest in securing this setup? I bet it's not arbitrary....
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Because god knows the UN has proven to be a wise organization, capable of managing almost all the worlds affairs. Preserving peace, etc. And nobody would ever dare to do things that would go against UN decisions, or would sidestep the UN entirely.
"Politicians are interested in people. Not that this is always a virtue. Fleas are interested in dogs." P.J. O'Rourke
Damn. Couldn't have put it better myself.
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Also, not to mention the fact that 60% of their member nations are controlled by dictartorships.
Two words: impotent, hypocritical.
"Ask not what your country can do for you." --John F. Kennedy
Try reading at -1 and you'll get the answer. *doh*
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They could pass a resolution, but doing something about it wouldn't happen.
If they cannot stand behind their votes they need to disband. The UN is a fucking joke.
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would you rather verisign gets control of everything, and sell your name and contact information, and charge you extortionate amounts of money, or have an independent government sponsored organization run it?
all you pale skinned paranoia freaks would choose the first option, because government running things is EVIL.
i will take option number two, and go outside and live a life.
Rather than plunging ahead without even the full agreement of their allies. Way to go, guys!
The problem that makes the UN impotent is not the fact that many countries are ruled by dictators (the idea behind the UN is to be a forum for *all* countries, not just democracies).
One of the biggest problems is the US's behaviour. For years the US refused to pay its quota, and has only paid its debt with the UN when they wanted something from it.
US's respect for UN resolutions is not very good either, and the UN does not have the capability of enforcing the resolutions, that's just impossible. Just two examples here:
Now, how could the UN be useful if the single most powerful and influent nation in the world does not want to know anything about it, except if it is for its own benefit??
That is very interesting news considering This article at The Register . The article talks about how Eurpoean top-level registries take over the technical task of running the Internet if ICANN cannot be relied upon to do a proper job -- because ICANN cannot seperate their Political machinations from the technical aspects of the DNS.
A good example would be ICANN's desire to create a artifical scarcity of TLDs to maintain 'value in the namespace'...
The UN is a fucking joke.
It's supposed to be a place where concerns can be aired and listened to. Every time a government questions the wisom of what is happening, all we hear from the White House is "this institution is in danger of becoming irrelevant.". They said it about the UN, now they're saying it about NATO. The message is very clear, do as we wish, or be deemed irrelevant. The current US administration does not seem to consider any other nation to be a peer, they are classed as either 'allies', 'enemies' or irrelevant nuisances to be brushed aside. There is a lot of goodwill being burned right now.
I think it's a mistake to think of "the UN". The UN is really a loose grouping of many related organizations. UNESCO and UNHCR are very different to the Security Council and the General Assembly.
Did it cross your mind that once the large corporations were fully funding ICANN, they would likely assume that if they aren't financially dependent on public funding, then they should be allowed carte blanche to arrange things entirely to their convenience, without any lip service towards the public.
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that Jon Postel was still with us. Then, something like this wouldn't have happened.
Unlike the US, who only get one word: arrogant. I really do hope that the attitude displayed above is not that felt for the rest of the US, otherwise things are worse than I assumed.
We hear George W saying that he will attack Iraq, UN be damned, but also tells us that the US cannot afford to rebuild the country after the attack, and that we are going to have to help out.
Screw that. We don't want an attack on Iraq, 'cause we can see what's really going on. Do you really think that Iraq's "weapons of mass destruction" would hurt the US? They don't have the missiles to launch to the States, and so will really only be effective around the Arab nations.
Iraq has been crippled by economic sanctions (thanks to the USA) and to add insult to injury, they're going in again! For God's sake, the original Gulf War was a joke to begin with: what makes the US believe that they can come in and solve century old disputes because they are who they are?
North Korea is practically taunting the world with their nuclear capabilities, with no doubt of their abilities to strike America, and what happens? Your fearless president decides to negotiate? Did I hear that right? Everywhere else in the world, that's called "Double Standards". Apparently in the US, it's known as "diplomatic efforts".
So why the difference in attitude? It's obvious to everyone in the world, and I assumed that it would be obvious from where you stand.
Take a look at your economy: reaching debt limits faster than you can increase them, and introducing a "budget" while the last one still hasn't been completely passed yet!
The Euro and gold looks set to become the new currency reserve, and all of a sudden the US dollar doesn't have it's absolute power, and the US economy has to work like every other one. Don't think the US dollar's losing control? No country with the Euro needs it, and together they have more citizens and buying power than the US.
Should I go on? No. Why? Because as with everything, no-one will ever change their point of view on something like this.
But all I see is a guy in the White House saying to the UN "Give us an answer, and if we don't like it, you can all go to hell. Oh by the way, you'll pick up the tab, right?"
The only difference between the dictators in these member nations is that they aren't trying to dictate other countries.
To better reflect its changing mission and increasing scope, the company ICANN (Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers) has changed its name UCANT (Universal Controller of All Network Traffic).
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And so they start blocking those proxys and eventually the poor little crap flooders and trolls like you run out of places to troll and crap from.
Besides, you are the one who is doing them.
He has 1000 accounts all trolling through proxies. Hence the title.
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There was a UN resolution telling Israel to move out of the occupied territories. Israel has obviously not moved out, and while many countries have said it should, the US just lets Israel do whatever they want.
Please read the resolution. Security Council resoluton 242 does call for:
"Withdrawal of Israeli armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict"
but it also calls for:
"Termination of all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and acknowledgement of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area"
The resolution also put equal weight on these 2 principles. The Arabs are still at war with Israel and refuse to make peace, so Israel hasn't withdrawn from the territories.
(Yes, Egypt and Jordan are at peace with Israel, but they're the only ones)
for everyone to always remember, that icann, or any other number or name registry only gets any power because people choose to use it as a reference. I can set up an IP network of any size I like, and address it however I like, and anyone else joining up with me is free to do what they want as well.
I'm not saying "we can just ignore icann.. let's have anarchy..".. but, ultimately, if they go too far, the major backbone providers can simply ignore them. As long as we all play off roughly the same page, stuff will still work just fine.
Although both principles do have equal weight, the second is impossible without the first one, "acknnowledgement of the sovereignity and territorial integrity" of __all__ states in the area cannot be accomplished until Israel moves out of the Palestinian territories. How could the Palestinians not be at war against a country which is occupying its territory?? Both principles have equal weight, but one cannot happen without the other happening first.
Also, you should check this resolution from the General Assembly, stating among other things that Israel must:
138 countries voted in favor of that resolution, only two countries voted against it... guess who: Israel and the United States
Of course the Palestinians must not be at war against Israel... but only when Israel leaves _their_ country.
On the other hand, Israel refuses to move out of the occupied territories, so the Arab nations won't make peace. Lets face it, there's no angels on either side here. Part of the flack is because Israel is often painted as the oppressed nation surrounded by enemies (an image not without merit), and the Arabs as the warmongering renegade nations, but Israel isn't really doing alot to be pro-active about peace in the Middle East either.
Because god knows the UN has proven to be a wise organization, capable of managing almost all the worlds affairs. Preserving peace, etc.
Hmm... how many World Wars were there before the United Nations? Two?
And how many have there been since? None... (yet)
On the other hand, Israel refuses to move out of the occupied territories, so the Arab nations won't make peace. Lets face it, there's no angels on either side here. Part of the flack is because Israel is often painted as the oppressed nation surrounded by enemies (an image not without merit), and the Arabs as the warmongering renegade nations, but Israel isn't really doing alot to be pro-active about peace in the Middle East either.
Funny you say that. After they lost the 1967 war, the Arab nations got together in Khartoum, Sudan, and declared, "three NOs."
1. No peace with Israel
2. No recognition of Israel
3. No negotiations with Israel
Aside from Egypt and Jordan, that policy continues to this day.
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How could the Palestinians not be at war against a country which is occupying its territory
The Palestinians were at war with Israel even when Israel wasn't occupying it's "territory".
Strangely enough, the Palestinians weren't at war with Egypt, Jordan and Syria when they were "occupying it's territory," from 1948-1967.
After the Allies won World War II, the Allies occupied Germany and Japan, until Germany and Japan agreed to live in peace, which they did. Today, it's ridiculous to think that Germany and Japan would start a war.
Also, you should check this resolution from the General Assembly, stating among other things that Israel must:
There's quite a bit of difference between Security Council resolutions and General Assembly resolitons. Like the difference between municpal parking laws and laws against armed robbery.
Of course the Palestinians must not be at war against Israel... but only when Israel leaves _their_ country
Read Hamas literature. They want the complete destruction of Israel, under all circumstances, no ifs, ands or buts. Many other Palestinian groups believe the same thing.
I think that the current system of global TLDs (.com, .edu, .etc) should be dumped and every countru issued a cc domain which they decide how to run. I know we invented the Internet but it really has grown beyond what could be considered our rightfull control.
If they ever get IPv6 up and running a large block of IP address (based on pop?) could be assigned to each country to dole out as they see fit.
There's quite a bit of difference between Security Council resolutions and General Assembly resolitons. Like the difference between municpal parking laws and laws against armed robbery.
My point was simply to show the behaviour of Israel and the US, it doesn't matter where they voted that, it just shows their way of dealing with those that get in their way.
Read Hamas literature. They want the complete destruction of Israel, under all circumstances, no ifs, ands or buts. Many other Palestinian groups believe the same thing.
And most other Palestinian groups do not believe the same thing, what's your point?
Also, Israel is a rich country, with one of the most powerful armies in the world, and backed by the US, the most powerful country in the world. Palestinians are mostly refugees who do not even control their water resources (Israel does), most of them live in complete misery, and their territory is occupied by Israel. Israel can go an buy all shorts of weapons from any country they want, Palestinians can't legally form an army. I could go on...
I'm not saying I agree or like everything the Palestinians do, of course I disapprove suicide bombers. But under those conditions I really can understand why they hate Israel.
I really see no way Israel's position can stand any analysis, they are simply occupying other people's land. Only when they go away they'll have the right to complain if they get attacked.
I really see no way Israel's position can stand any analysis, they are simply occupying other people's land.
They are "occupying other people's land" as a result of a war started by those "other people" which is still ongoing. The "other people" still refuse to live in peace.
And even when Israel wasn't "occupying other people's land" attacks were a regular occurance. The PLO wasn't formed in 1967, but 1964, before the "occupation."
Only when they go away they'll have the right to complain if they get attacked.
They'll have the right to complain if attacked? That's nice. What about all the dead bodies? The right to complain is useful, but I prefer the right to live.
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man, these editors are stupid fucks.
what the hell is the parent doing at +5?
i changed to this threshold to avoid that old ike shit and i get this offtopic bullshit??
seriously, moderators, learn to do your jobs.
Hmm. So refusing to bend over and take it up the ass from the U.S.fucking-A. is a "fucking joke?"
If you want a joke, look at George W. Bush, known to the rest of the world as 'Hitler jr:' a racist, ignorant, lying, two-faced, hate-filled warmonger with a severe inferiority complex. He probably gets that from not being able to win the election without cheating.
The UN is following their mandate. The UN is living up to the spirit and letter of their already fairly extreme resolutions. It's the USA, under the iron fist of GWB that is repeatedly changing the terms and then ignoring them, all while trying to threaten and bomb his way to "peace."
Oh, and as a point of reference, I'm a fairly politically neutral citizen of one of your three closest allies. Even your closest global friends won't put up with your country's shite much longer.
I know this is offtopic, but I just HAD to see why I only saw 63 comments with 434 below my threshold. I found out after setting threshold to -1. I sacraficed myself for the greater good of the slashdot community. THRESHOLD AT 1, EVERYONE!!!! You don't wanna see it. It's not pretty.
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The UN is a half deflated beach ball with a brick inside. That brick is the U.S.
A lot of people hate the U.N. because, "oh look, other countries have different opinions, goals, and interests than us." Those people are made of dense bricklike material. I saw a piece of propaganda in the paper today that was called Get US Out! These idiots want influence over other countries, but how is destroying the U.N. supposed to accomplish that.
Nuts want to rule the world but don't even know why.
After they lost the 1967 war, the Arab nations got together in Khartoum, Sudan, and declared, "three NOs."
1. No peace with Israel
2. No recognition of Israel
3. No negotiations with Israel
Didn't the allies decide something similar after the Nazis occupied most of Europe...
How many nations do you think would be happy with a neighbour being taken over by a group of beligerant foreigners?
They are "occupying other people's land" as a result of a war started by those "other people" which is still ongoing. The "other people" still refuse to live in peace.
Guess those "other people" must have enguaged in mass suicide in 1947. It's kind of hard to live in peace with well armed people who want you evicted from the place your ancestors have lived for hundreds of years.
And even when Israel wasn't "occupying other people's land" attacks were a regular occurance.
Modern Israel has always been "occupying other people's land". Even leaving aside questions over the legitimacy of the UN partition scheme (which is very questionable), when Israel made it's UDI the territory it occupied included land the UN had designated as for the "Arab state".
The PLO wasn't formed in 1967, but 1964, before the "occupation."
The Zionists were busy stiring up trouble in the 1920s. The initial Zionist "land grab" was in 1947.
The problem that makes the UN impotent is not the fact that many countries are ruled by dictators (the idea behind the UN is to be a forum for *all* countries, not just democracies)
Quite a few dictatorships only came into existance/continue to exist through having another country acting as "patron" anyway. It wasn't that long ago that Saddam Hussain had the full support of the US.
* There was a UN resolution telling Israel to move out of the occupied territories. Israel has obviously not moved out, and while many countries have said it should, the US just lets Israel do whatever they want.
Which one? US policy on US resolutions against Israel is to veto any which actually have teeth and ignore any which don't.
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