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U.S. Endorses ENUM

esarjeant writes "It looks like the the U.S. has endorsed ENUM (also known as E.164.arpa). This means you get a single number for phone and Internet, look for demos at Spring VON (San Jose, April 1-3) and VISIONng will be engaging in US trials. Essentially this means you get a new TLD of e164.arpa with your phone number in front of it." The addresses look pretty long and unwieldy, but supposedly consumer devices will make it easier to use.

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  1. Spam direct to the home? by Lawrence_Bird · · Score: 4, Insightful

    or was that fiber to the curb? Doesn't this make it all that much easier to track people down?

  2. First 10 Digits by mhaisley · · Score: 5, Insightful

    First 10 digit dialing, now this? Seems we could base somthing off of just the number its self, although that seems to be the way the idea is going.

    It looks like were getting ever closer to the point where I have to enter a username and password to make a phone call. Seriously folks, the phone is the simplest computer interface in the world, don't ruin it. I don't want email on my phone, and caller id on my tv, I want tv on my tv and other people on my phone!

    1. Re:First 10 Digits by mccalli · · Score: 5, Insightful
      If you think about it, if someone is trying to get a hold of you why should they have to try several distinct numbers and addresses?

      Because I want them to.

      I answer the home landline nearly 100% of the time. I answer my mobile maybe 70% of the time (depends on location and context). I respond to email at a different frequency to my phone call response. And all that is before we take into account that I have several different email addresses for different purposes, and also four different phone numbers (two home landlines, one mobile, one work).

      I want communication separated out by purpose.

      Cheers,
      Ian

    2. Re:First 10 Digits by Tacky+the+Penguin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you think about it, if someone is trying to get a hold of you why should they have to try several distinct numbers and addresses? Doesn't it make sense to have just one, and information gets routed to the appropriate interface (phone, e-mail, IM, etc.)?

      I would like to be able to change my email address without changing my phone number. You think spam is bad now? Consider how bad it'll be if you have one universal address. As soon as you get into the system, you're toast. The only way to stop the 100 message a day flood will be to change your universal phone/email number.

  3. great by Ubi_NL · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So, if I post to usenet, google archives this, and any idiot in the world has my phone number.

    no thanks

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  4. Opting out? by pongo000 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I choose to have my phone number unlisted and unpublished. Does this mean I will have to disclose my phone number if I'm using an e.164-enabled device? Or will I just have to sit this one out on the sidelines, confident that it will die the quick death so common with flash-in-the-pan technology?

    Personally, I don't want to be ubiquitously accessible. I don't want my internet and telephone services magically tied together. This sounds like a scheme that will benefit vendors, providers, and marketers more than it will benefit consumers.

  5. Practicality check by vinsci · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The addresses look pretty long and unwieldy
    Reminds me of X.400 e-mail addresses, which weren't so successful. The main reason were exactly their long and unwieldy addresses: multi-line e-mail addresses! There too, applications were supposed to hide the complexity, but someone has to type it into the application to begin with.

    I prefer callto:// URI:s any day.

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  6. International by mccalli · · Score: 3, Insightful
    you get a new TLD of e164.arpa

    Hmm. Not .arpa.us then? Is the idea that all numbers across the globe fit into .arpa, or is this an example of an inappropriate TLD?

    .com and .org have a sensible argument to make themselves out to be international. Phone numbers are definitely region-specific however, and they certainly should be encompassed within . domains.

    Cheers,
    Ian

  7. DNS should be reversed... by wowbagger · · Score: 4, Insightful

    (NOTE: I realise what I am about to propose will never happen.)

    The DNS system should be reversed - in other words, this site should be http://org.slashdot

    Justification: The ideal would be for the domain to move from the least specific to the most specific. Consider the current system: First, you have the protocol - the most general part of the URL. Then, you have the domain, moving from the most specific to the most general. Then, you have the URI (directory and filename), which moves from the most general to the most specific.

    Now, consider if DNS were to be reversed. You would move from the most general (the protocol), then the TLD, then the organization, then the machine, the directories, the file name, and any CGI args.

    The ENUM system would be more in line with telephony - you would have the country code, then the area code, exchange, and finally number, just like the current system, rather than having to reverse the number.

    You could still have the completion feature you have now - if you type tel://555.1212 the system could automatically apply the default country code and area code, it would just prepend rather than append.

    (Oh, BTW: on ENUM, they should have allowed each logical grouping of the telephone to be one subdomain - in other words, county code.area code.exchange.number, rather than c.o.u.n.t.r.y.c.o.d.e etc.)

    1. Re:DNS should be reversed... by twoshortplanks · · Score: 2, Insightful
      IMHO it makes more sense to specify the most specific section of the domain first, as the general bit can be assumed.

      For example, I have a default domain of twoshortplanks.com. This means I can type "http://zen" into my browser and it looks up "zen.twoshortplanks.com". Where is is most useful is for things like "mail". When I move around I DHCP and that sets the default domain completion for my DNS, meaning when I'm at home I can get "mail.twoshortplanks.com" when I look up "mail" and when I'm other places like work I get "mail.otherplace.com". Very handy.

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  8. illegal in all states and most of Europe by dpilot · · Score: 2, Insightful

    but what about Nigeria?

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  9. IPv6 by matithyahu · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So if we can't switch to IPv6 this is supposed to happen? But how are they planning on those two interacting? I imagine that they won't have ENUM for devices or IPv6 for people but won't this make it a little more complicated. You sending the one email but it being routed to eight different devices doesn't necessarily make things easier

  10. Too many questions by PurplePhase · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It is a brief article, so it brought up a lot of questions for me:

    So this is supposed to connect *all* our phone lines with *all* our e-mail addresses and *all* our domains? Or is it that everyone suddenly has these new e-mail accounts and websites which each of us needs to manage and check because the government or other superpowers might decide to leave us notice there instead of, say, on my voicemail machine or sending me a form letter?

    How do the e-mail addresses fit into it again?

    And so now when my phone company tells me it will take 1 week to move my phone when I move, are my e-mail and domain out for that time, too, or are they required to provide an outside-accessible secured e-mail server and access so I can update my website? How about if I move out of their broadband service area? How about if I change my ISP to cable or satellite? Or if I move into another phone service's area? Does the phone company host my e-mail and website, or my ISP?

    And do we get to choose our phone numbers, or do they magically decide at one point in history that *that's* the phone number you keep for the rest of your life? Or do you keep the number for your lifespan?

    When they have to extend the phone numbers to 11 digits or more, are they going to revise all old numbers so they start with additional 1's or 9's or something (thinking mostly about the DNS)?

    "could be routed to a telephone, an e-mail inbox or a fax machine, depending on the application."

    Who decides these routings? Or are we all going to be required to have a magical box to connect us to the outside world? Or are we all issued passwords so we can remotely configure our preferences (yeah, like 99% of the country is going to want to do that, let alone keep their passwords).

    Which organization is going to coordinate all of this? Government? Public? Private? Verisign?

    We are talking about doing this for everyone, right? Who's going to do the tech support?

    8-PP

  11. What about Phone Changes by sckienle · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I still got calls for the person who last had my phone number for years after it was switched to me. Now I can get personal emails for the prior "owner" of my phone number and not even have the chance to tell them I'm not Kim before they go on about what happened to them last night.

    Leaving that and telemarketers having everyone's email address immediately and automatically aside, I am confused as to the utility of this. I would much rather have permanent transferable alphabetic EMail address, which I do have on pobox.com, than my telephone number.

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