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Warming Battle Over Online Taxes

mackertm writes "The NYT (free registration, blah blah) has an interesting story about the fight over Internet taxation. A coalition of states and some big clicks-and-mortar retailers are leading the charge to simplify the process of collecting taxes online. Amazon, Dell, and eBay are the biggest pure e-tailers resisting this movement. It's fun to see Amazon try and talk about how difficult it would be to implement taxes for all states, when it's already doing it for Target and Toys 'R Us."

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  1. Re:To avoid this... by RazzleFrog · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sure. Double your shipping charge so that you can get out of paying the tax. Legally, of course, you are still obliged to pay use tax to your state (if they require it). These are not new taxes but just ways of enforcing already existing taxes.

  2. Amazon's argument is disengenious by elflet · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Amazon claims "it would be too burdensome to collect and dispense them on behalf of so many different jurisdictions", but the major e-commerce engines (e.g ClearCommerce's engine) have a tax table broken down by zip code. This table is updated whenever the tax regulations change. Little companies such as Apple Computer, who is required to charge sales tax on online purchases, depend on this to keep the billing straight. It's all handled in the software, and has been for a looooong time.

  3. value added taxes are very regressive by The_Rook · · Score: 5, Insightful

    while i sympathize with local and state governments having trouble balancing their books, doing so through value added and use taxes are the worst way to go about it.

    value added taxes are favored by (wealthy) tax theorists because they tax consumption and therefore cannot be avoided. however, they are highly subject to the condition of the economy. any economic slowdown and sales taxes drop along with consumer spending. also, they are popular with the wealthy because the tax is paid only when you spend money, and not on income.

    which is their biggest problem. low income taxpayers are disproportionately taxed compared to wealthy. for someone making a hundred grand a year, the value added tax on a computer is nothing. but for someone making 20 grand a year or less, that tax becomes significant. because they are a tax on consumption, value added taxes are a direct drain on the economy - they slow down and reduce consumption and reduce the total number of transactions that can take place in an economy.

    if states and local governments really have a problem with colecting value added taxes, then the true answer is to drop the value added taxes completely, rely on income and/or property taxes, and build up the infrastructure that will encourage internet and mail order businesses to set up shop in their own state.

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  4. Re:taxes not good for little e-business online ret by kfg · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No, where it will hit the small time operator hardest is in implimentation costs.

    Toys Be Us and Shit already *has* a presence in all states, and accounting services to deal with it. For them paying online taxes, while costly, isn't really as big a deal as it might appear. It's more a question of how to put it into reasonable practice.

    But for the little guy it means setting up tax accounts in every state before he can even do a lick of business, and the cost of maintaining them properly may well exceed his profit margin.

    It's already hard enough to deal with the paperwork and compliance issues in *one* state. Having to do it in all 50 will be enough to force many of the moms and pops of the world into tending the fryer istead of being independent business people.

    Think about that for a minute and think about why the big boys might be very, very, VERY much in favor of paying all these taxes.

    KFG