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A Music Industry Case Study

spmkk writes "The NY Daily News has an uplifting look at the fate of a (hypothetical) 4-piece band "making it big" in today's RIAA-driven music industry. The condensed version: A band that sells 500,000 records for $8,490,000 gross ends up (after a few iterations of the new math) with $161,909 in their pocket. Split four ways, that's a whopping $40,477.25 each for a record that probably took close to a year to produce. And this is for a record that goes gold (as per the article, only 128 of some 30,000 records released in 2002 were so privileged). And I bet you wanted to be a rock star when you were a kid..."

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  1. Obligatory link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    To the problem with music, an insightful insider's look on this exact same subject with more analysis and perhaps less solid figures.

    It is written by Steve Albini, who produced (besides a few bands you maybe might have heard of) a little no-name act called Nirvana. Everyone should read it. Of course, most people have, which is why i predict it will be linked at least three more times somewhere in this story discussion.

    1. Re:Obligatory link by astrosmash · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Also, check out the Mixerman Diaries, documenting the attempted recording of an L.A. "bidding-war" band. $2 Million advance; big name producer; dumb-ass drummer. Hilarious stuff.

      If you're at all curious about the recording process of a Major-label band, it's a must-read.

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    2. Re:Obligatory link by Deagol · · Score: 4, Interesting
      But I don't understand why everyone gets so bent about Hillary Rosen and focuses all their attention on her.

      We despise these figure heads because they actually alter laws to favor the industry. Did you ever read the DeCSS depositions of Jack Valenti? They're a funny, if not scary, read. See them on 2600.com's website. I recall one place where good old Jack was being questioned by Corley's counsel. He was asking him all kinds of questions about the industry, and the opposing lawyer kept objecting, stating that Jack wasn't an expert witness and couldn't answer the questions. Finally, Corely's lawyer spouted off something that I found very telling (paraphrased): "You're telling me that this guy, who testifies before Congress and lobbies to change the laws, isn't an expert in these matters?!?"

      The point is, Joe Beancounter from the RIAA or the MPAA doesn't get the publicity shots shaking Senator Hatch's hand (Orin Hatch, I believe, is pretty pro-industry in these matters, in spite of the appearance of his "Napster Hearings" some years ago). It's these hi-profile weenies (Hilary and Jack) who affect legislation.

      That is why we despise these people so much.

  2. Negotiating Position by Boss,+Pointy+Haired · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Disclaimer, I don't really understand the pop industry so this is probably obvious, but...

    Why is the negotiating position of these bands so weak that they end up with such a shitty deal?

    1. Re:Negotiating Position by afidel · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Actually recording doesn't have to cost a fortune. For an example Creed recorded their first album for $6,000 and it had the most #1 hits of any debut album ever. Marketing can be expensive, but really isn't necessary if the music is actually good. Sure diferentiating the Britney Spear's of the music world from the 5 million other pop acts costs money because it's expensive to manipulate people through advertising, you have to wear them down.

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  3. It Won't Last Long by shylock0 · · Score: 5, Interesting
    The problems of the music industry are quickly reaching critical mass. Let's take a look at a few points:

    1) Radio monopolies. As has previously been discussed on /., this means that few bands ever get play time on the radio. In fact, radio today pretty much sucks unless you really like "Top 40" music. Now, there's a reason that Top 40 music used to be Top 40 -- it was popular (and usually fairly good) music. But that's not really the case anymore.

    2) Paying artists. The Music Industry can whine all it wants about "artists getting money" this and "artists getting money that" but the truth of the matter is, Item No. 1 makes the music industry so competitive that, after all the marketing is finished, they can't really afford to give any money back to the artists. Artists in today's music industry are somewhat like the sweatshop girls who make Abercrombie and Fitch cargo pants (or Nike shoes, or you name it): they produce a product sold for an extreme premium but are poorly paid. Incidentally, the premium goes not directly into the pockets of the responsible corporation, but instead into marketing and promotion -- but only of the artists which the record company likes.

    I firmly believe that we're about to experience a paradigm shift in entertainment delivery. The era of free music -- as it was in the 16, 17, and 1800s -- will once more be upon us. Recorded music will be free, and niche internet radio/community music sites will be responsible for the creation of new hits and pop sensatia (remember Michelle Branch? MP3.com, not the radio, was instrumental in her stardom). Artists will instead earn their money as they did 100 years ago: in concert. Ticket prices will skyrocket (and fans will pay), and probably move to an auction-dominated system -- which will equilibrize ticket prices. Some artists might be forced to get day jobs. But art, music, etc., they will all move onward...

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  4. Re:That doesn't take into account... by glowfish · · Score: 5, Interesting

    You guys are ignorant. The same thing happens in the live music industry. Only a tiny miniscule ammount of people make money touring. And there are probably only a handful of people in the world (mostly actors, not musicians btw) who get paid to appear on magazines.
    I am a professional musician who recently put out a record on a major label. I did a west coast tour last month where every show was sold out. Wanna know how much money I made?
    $80 a day. And that's with the shows selling out.
    The live music industry is the same as the record industry. They've worked it out so that the musicians get nothing.

  5. Perspective from a major label musician. by glowfish · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I put out a record on a major label recently. Just finished a sold out tour of the west coast a week or two ago.
    I have these thoughts:
    1. The article is totally accurate.
    2. Anybody who thinks successful musicians make it back in touring or merchandise is A COMPLETE IGNORANT IDIOT. Once you get close to going gold this might be true, but as the article pointed out, this happens to 138 of 30,0000 records.
    3. My sold out tour of the west coast was the first profitable tour in almost a decade of touring. I made $80 a day once the profits were tabulated.
    4. Merchandise sales are not major sources of revenue, but they help stem the bleeding. Less then half of that $80/day was from merchandise.
    5. One word: EXPENSES. It's not just the money you get. It's also the money you pay out. And touring is expensive. Don't be one of those assholes who says "ah but the bands make it back from tours and merchandise"
    6. A shitty sys-admin can do $30-40k a year.
    7. A top notch musician who has practiced most of their life and given countless sacrifices for their job and has gone gold will do about the same.
    8. A top notch musician who hasn't gone gold will be broke.
    9. A shitty musician will be in debt.
    10. Mama don't let your baby's grow up to be musicinas.

  6. Re:not a rockstar by ComputerSlicer23 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Curious, some of the biggest music fans I know didn't like any of U2's new ablums. I've known this guy 10 years. When I first met him he loved all of their older music, but anything that came out that was new was stupid. Now some of the same music that he used to call mainstream sellout crap, is the music he likes from them. I've pointed this out to him, and he's conceded that it's true.

    A lot of people don't like anything that gets radio play, because that's the crap that people listen to. I think a lot of people don't like anything that's on the radio, because then they get to act like experts, and play along like they understand the something about music other people don't. For the most part, most people don't have an inner genius that conveys more information about high quality music then the rest of the general public. I stopped listening to the 5 years ago, and I have about 20 CD's that I can happily listen to for extended periods of time. I'm not big into music, but I laugh at the pretensious people who act like they know more about music then the general public, because they've decided they know more.... *grin*

    Kirby