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Do Scripters Suffer Discrimination?
TheTheologian writes "In his InfoWorld column, Chad Dickerson says 'there is a level of quiet discomfort between the "scripting" versus "programming" factions in some corporate development environments in which I have participated. In some instances, executive-level technology management has held scripting languages in disdain as not being "real" languages for day-to-day problem solving, which has discouraged highly talented scripters on staff from practicing their craft. In such an environment, scripters are relegated to the lower ranks ... ' He goes on to say that some companies will assign Java and C++ programmers tasks that take them weeks but could be done by Perl or Python programmers in a few hours. Is it true that some companies are so overcome with code bias they'd assign weeks of unnecessary work rather than give it to the scripting untouchables?"
"I am good at scripting." == lame.
"ph34r my l337 skr197x0r sk1llz, f44g0rz." == cool.
Trolling is a art,
Script kiddies, by definition, do not write their own scripts.:)
Is this a sigs-optional kind of place? 'Cause I am totally down with that if you know what I mean.
10 Echo Starting Application
20 system "start iexplore -k http://localhost/index.php"
30 goto 10
40 profit
Im dreaming ofa big bndwdth, That can resist the
I'm not sure, but in my building, there are three bathrooms -- Men, Women, and Scripters.
Just tell him that both PHP and Java are both interpreted languages, and thus are "morally" equivalent. Only languages compiled into assembly are worthy of being considered "real" programming. :)
It just astounds me that anyone can be snobby about Java. I mean, it's not a terrible language, but...
Sometimes it's best to just let stupid people be stupid.
"Most scripting languages are designed around letting small problems be implemented quickly."
Isn't that the core philosophy of Microsoft's Windows Update service?
Yeah. Better yet, if you don't actually hand-craft each of the electrical impulses for the CPU, in order, one by one, with a tiny hand-powered generator, you are not a real programmer.
What kind of logic is it that makes people think that invoking a compiler on their textfiles is the step that turns them into "real" programmers?
gcc file.c
woo, i'm a programmer!
perl -e file.pl
doh, i'm not a programmer.
gcc file.c
woo, i'm a programmer!
perl -e file.pl
doh, i'm not a programmer.
You are too tolerate. Only ASM itself is real programming. Everything else is a joke, no matter how it gets to ASM, via compiler or JIT-compiler.
MSDOS: 20+ years without remote hole in the default install
"If it ain't compiled into assembly language, it ain't real programming."
Interesting definition. My distinction has always been that if I can fuck up memory, then I'm programming. Otherwise I'm scripting.
--Richard
If those 30 developers can't decipher all of 10 lines of python (or any language) it's time to get some new developers.
"You're never ready, just less unprepared."
It seems like the deeper you have to go to get something to work the more immaculate you are. Like everyone is hovering somewhere above laying down silicon, the further away from tracings and transistors the less holy.
;-)
In this regard machine language programmers spank assembly coders, who spank compiler builders, who spank those who use compiled lanagues, who in turn spank scripters, who would spank spreadsheet macro writers if those people ever came to the party. Of course everyone is aiming at getting particular patterns of electrical potentials established across specific etched wires and via arrays of transistor gates. But some of us are closer to God and everyone knows it.
I figure it is just like any other religion. Closest to God are the self-flagellators, ascetics and grazers, those who abuse the flesh and the mind in order to get to the bare naked truth of God. They would dream in machine code but speak not a word anyone could understand, just mumble. Then the mendicant monks and wild holy men, clinging at the gates of the city, begging alms, pitifully beseeching to God; assemblers. Less mentally scattered beggers with pens would write very terse, almost insane ramblings about how the world is actually made, their searing visions what we would call compilers. Those who would actually take those insane ramblings and teach them as a path to truth? They use languages that rely on the compilers and most people would call them preachers and spiritual leaders and merely pity the others, if not fear them.
I take my religion easily. I don't preach, and I am not a missionary; nobody is gonna be saved by me anytime soon. I conduct the rare bit of working sorcery, often for personal gain but not always, and my relationship with God (or Goddess as the case may be) is functional and laid-back (obviously). And I'm a scripter. I code to please myself as well as the higher powers. Mostly myself. If it works, groovy God is happy too. Hey I got other things to do besides obssess about Truth and my navel, OK?
It's those Nancy boys writing spreadsheet macros that are wasting their time. Rookies.
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Real coders use this as their keyboard ;)
^_^
Ha ha! You get to use your hands? I have to use my tongue!