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Overture Buys Fast Search

generic-man writes "Hot off the heels of buying Altavista, Overture today announced it would buy Fast Search. Fast Search, a Norwegian company which manages AllTheWeb.com, will get $70 million in cash with up to $30 million in performance bonuses over the next three years. The deal is expected to close by April."

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  1. And Google is evil? by The+Bungi · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What was that article a few days ago saying that Google is evil because it does all sorts of nefarious things and represents a virtual monopoly in the search engine arena? Not that the arguments held any water, but I'm sure the person who wrote them is rethinking his "monopoly" accusations in light of this.

  2. Was there ever an engine that used reg. expression by uiil · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I vaguely remember a web search engine that allowed the use of regular expressions, or maybe its just early alzheimers kicking in.

  3. Google is better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    I am boycotting both Overture and AllTheWeb. Google is much better.

    Frankly, I don't think there need to be any other search engines. Google is the only one that matters. Other companies should please move on to other, more pressing, matters.

  4. Wow! by SlashChick · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "For 2003, [Overture] now expects to see revenue of more than $1 billion and earnings per share of 60 cents to 70 cents. Analysts had been expecting the company to report earnings of 91 cents per share on revenue of $1.03 billion."

    Wow! Overture has better earnings per share than Microsoft! They've also beaten eBay, which is generally considered one of the most profitable Internet companies. Is pay-for-placement really so valuable that it creates a billion-dollar company? Can someone who understands this business model explain how it's making so much money?

    If Overture is truly an Internet-only success story, it bodes well for the rest of us who have jobs that rely on the Internet. More profitable companies mean that the Internet will be taken more seriously and that there will be more Internet jobs, which is always a good thing!

    1. Re:Wow! by stripmarkup · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I used to work for a search engine company that was acquired by Yahoo and now I work for another one. Here's the deal:

      Most businesses need leads from the yellow pages and other standard means of advertising. The amount of business that they get from leads coming from search engines has been increasing steadily over the years. The problem is that nobody will find you in a search if your site has not been crawled, or if it appears beyond the third or fourth page in the results. There are Search Engine Optimization (SEO) companies that "optimize" your site for a fee so that it appears more relevant to search engines.

      Obviously, search engine companies don't like this and developed anti-spam techniques to block as much of it as possible. If you are running a serious business and $100/year or so guarantees a decent placement in a major search engine, it's definitely worth it. For bigger markets (porn, for example), businesses are willing to pay more to get an edge over their competitors. Look at the Yellow Pages (an extremely profitable business) for an older example of this model in action.

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  5. Overture's Motives by PepperedApple · · Score: 2, Interesting

    From the article, it seems like Overture wants to buy out search engines so that they can sell placement.

    Now that we know where their results come from, won't we steer clear?

    They could have at least pretended to return relevant results.

    1. Re:Overture's Motives by artemis67 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I take it you've never looked at Overture.

      Yes, Overture sells paid listings, not relevance, although they do at least check out your site to make sure that the keywords you are registering are germain to your site's content.

      Registering with Overture is smart because Overture influences other search engines. Alta Vista has long had a deal with them to take the top three Overture listings and place them above Alta Vista's own results. Even the mighty Google is influenced by Overture.

      For example, before my company registered keywords on Overture, we couldn't be found on Google unless you search specifically on our name. Today, there is at least one keyword category where we have the top spot on Google (keywords we registered on Overture), and a number of others where we at least show up in the list.

      For businesses that are frustrated with the search engine games, Overture is probably the easiest way to influence them.

  6. With all that $$, why not buy Google? by LiftOp · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I mean, no one said it's for sale, but if you buy all the little companies that are running distant second to Google, and put them together, don't you get one big company that's running second as well?

    I mean, if I want the Ferrari, and I've got the dough, I don't get six or seven Chevys and consider myself the coolest kid on the block.

  7. I'm sticking with google. by blair1q · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I just tried a few searches at Overture, and every one stacked what looked like product placements at the top of the responses. And in fact this notice introduced the results pages.

    It looks as though they're buying the underperforming search sites for their paid customer lists, which they offer to other search sites that take placement graft.

    They're not a search technology company. They're a search-result astroturf company. Their business model is selling ad space camouflaged as content.

    The internet is not secure as either a medium or a message.

  8. Re:MMmmmm by Xformer · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Sounds more like they're trying to bring Altavista back up to a usable level.

    It currently takes AV upwards of 6+ months to update indexed pages. They also don't do anything with newly found sites or disappearing sites that that aren't explicitly (re)submitted.

    What's the use in that? Google, for one, goes over their entire index for updated/new/missing pages once a month.

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  9. Huge difference by ObligatoryUserName · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In Google every ad is obviously an ad, and there are only a few per page. In Overture my search returned 20 ads that look like results (though a side note hinted otherwise) before it shows actual results. Search for "Flash MX" - result number 21 is Macromedia.com - everything before that is an ad. I don't care how good their search is, with the results formatted like this it seems like they return very low-relevancy links.

  10. Re:i wonder by chundo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Before Google was started it was assumed that internet search was either "a solved problem or not very interesting". Google proved them wrong; why is it inconceivable that another company could beat out Google now?

    You don't need a bubble to keep you afloat if you've got a useful product and a good business plan. The fact that the .com bubble has burst doesn't mean that everyone should stop exploring viable online business opportunities.

    -j

  11. Does anyone see Overture in their web logs? by GGardner · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Let's ignore, for the moment, the quality of any of the search engines. When I awkgle through the web logs at my company, more than 99% of all the hits from a search engine come from google. There's no evident second place finisher in this race -- There's Google at number one, and then a whole bunch of noise. Now, we don't advertise on Overture (or google, either). What do others see?

  12. Overture is NOT a search engine by frankie · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Overture is a pay-for-placement system. It's comparable to the Google AdWords results rather than the actual Google search.

    Now for the fun part. Every time you click an Overture result, you cause the advertiser to pay Overture. As mentioned at SpamBattle, this is a great way to screw companies that sell spam software or services:

    Use the /. effect to bankrupt spammers!

  13. Does this mean by tarquin_fim_bim · · Score: 3, Interesting

    In the longer term the trend will be that as well as having to sort through the normal dross thrown up by search engines, you will also have to swim through a pages stagnated by dodgy companies paying for the privilege to force their unwanted products onto your screen?

  14. Re:If Google *does* IPO by Marton · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Not all businesspeople think like that. Erm, maybe no businessperson thinks like that.

    What you say might have been true. Traditionally.

    Google might be profitable, and an owner could rake in, say, $1m per year - but that's not going to get him a 200-foot yacht.

    If you take the company public, you can easily and instantly sell some or all of your shares on the market, then retire early with hundreds of millions in the bank.

    That's the #1 reason people do IPOs, and that's the reason Google will go public once the US economy is in better shape.