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Verbing Weirds Google

MoNickels writes "Back in January, the American Dialect Society voted the neologism "to google" as the most useful word of 2002. Now bring on the lawyers! Google's have sent a cease-and-desist letter to Paul McFedries, creator of the famous Word Spy site, demanding he remove google as a verb from his lexicon, or else. Frank Abate, an American editor for the Oxford English Dictionary, points out, however, that you can't claim proprietary rights to a verb." Update: 02/26 03:19 GMT by T : MoNickels writes with an update: "Frank Abate is not an editor of the OED, but he is a former editor of the New Oxford American Dictionary, both published by Oxford University Press." Thanks for the amendment!

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  1. never work by JohnG · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The post office has been pretty peeved over the usage and meaning of the term "Going Postal", but haven't had much success stopping it's usage. The makers of Spam the meat haven't been to thrilled with it's usage when referring to junk email either, but haven't stopped it. Even if Google gets "to google" out of the lexicon, it will still be used rampantly. The only thing they will accomplish is making themselves look like asses for complaining in the first place.

    1. Re:never work by manyoso · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You are making a very bad mistake.

      Your analogy to Apple does not hold water. No one will mistake an 'apple -- see fruit' for an 'Apple --computer/business'. You have correctly pointed this out.

      However, this is not a good analogy because the word 'google' *means* to search for something online. Precisely what the company/trademark is all about!

      So if another internet search engine uses the new word 'google' in marketing or in general usage then it is not a trademark infringement because 'google' is now a general word and they would be using it correctly.

  2. Re:finally by tempest303 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They kind of have to try, actually. Trademarks can only be held if you actively defend them - if Google didn't take *some* kind of action to protect it's trademark, they could lose it!

    That said, it really sucks that it had to happen - I wonder if Google has to actually sue this guy in order to satisfy the defense clause for trademarks... I would hope not.

  3. Trademarks and loss of trademarks by jd142 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    *If* Google wants to keep their trademark, and there are good reasons for them to do so, then this is exactly what they need to do, whether you like it or not.

    Many products have lost their trademark through changes in the language. Aspirin used to be a trademark. Everyone else had to sell "headache powder" or something similar. Now, aspirin is a generic term. Something similar is happening now with Kleenex, Post-It Notes, and White Out.

    The question you should ask yourself is: Is it right for there to be a website that calls itself "Google: by Microsoft"? Because if Google looses its trademark, there's nothing to stop Microsoft from producing its own google. Just like there is now Bayer aspirin, St. Joseph's children's aspirin, etc.

    So if Microsoft's google is ok, then Google is wrong. But if you don't want Microsoft to have the ability to rebrand MSN Search as Microsoft's Google, then Google needs to do this.

  4. RTF Cease & Desist.... by daoine · · Score: 5, Insightful
    From Google's Cease and Desist:

    We ask that you help us to protect our brand by deleting the definition of "google" found at wordspy.com or revising it to take into account the trademark status of Google.

    The story makes this out to be a whole lot worse than it is. It doesn't seem like they're being unreasonable. They're likely not going to go on an all out attack, they just want the trademark status accounted for.

  5. So change the description by friendofafriend · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The letter from Google says:
    We ask that you help us to protect our brand by deleting the definition of "google" found at wordspy.com or revising it to take into account the trademark status of Google.
    So why not just mention google is a trademark in the definition - that is all they are asking!
  6. Googling by Golias · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Using "google" as a verb should be just fine... as long as you are talking about using Google to do your search. Otherwise, it's diluting their trademark. If people start saying "go to Alta Vista and Google around for it," then suddenly it becomes like how people were starting to say "Curad Band -Aids" instead of "Curad bandages" before the makers of Band-Aid bandages began going to great lengths to protect thier brand.

    It reminds me of how "Coke" has become a generic word for soda pop in some parts of the South. If you order a "Coke" in some sourthern establishments, the redneck bartender will ask you "what kind of Coke do y'all want? Orange? Pepsi? Root Beer?"

    For a while, Pepsi was selling really cheap to restaurants (to get more customers accoustomed to the taste). If you went into a restaraunt and ordered a "Coke," you would often get Pepsi... until recently. These days, if you order a "Coke" and they only have Pepsi products, your server will have been trained to ask "is Pepsi okay," because Coke occastionally sends reps out to look for restaurants who are substituting Pepsi for Coke orders without telling customers, and suing the asses off anybody they catch doing it.

    Trademark laws are not set up to favor the nice guys. The law is pretty much, "be a bastard about your trademarks, or they become part of the language and it will be okay for your competition to use them."

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    Information wants to be anthropomorphized.

  7. Nicest C-and-D letter I've seen by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The lawyer's letter ends with:
    We ask that you help us to protect our brand by deleting the definition of "google" found at wordspy.com or revising it to take into account the trademark status of Google.

    That seems like a perfectly reasonable and polite request. The folks at Google are now on record as trying to protect their trademark, and they were pleasant about it to boot. Note also that they provided a reasonable alternative to deleting the entry altogether. Presumably something along the lines of:

    google: v To search, particularly on the Internet. Et.: Google is the trademarked name of the Internet search engine at www.google.com
    would be sufficient for all involved. This sounds like much to do about nothing.
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    Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?
  8. WTF, dating? ? ? by Cokelee · · Score: 5, Insightful
    google (GOO.gul) v. To use an Internet search engine such as google.com to look for information related to a new or potential girlfriend or boyfriend. (Note that Google(TM) is a trademark of Google Technologies Inc.) -The World Spy - google

    No, just no. Google has nothing to do with looking for a potention girlfriend or boyfriend or friendly friend. Not even an adequate definition. To google is NOT to use "a" search engine, it is to use Google. I don't call it "googling" unless I use GOOGLE!

    What the hell is wrong with these people?!?! Dating . . . any search engine . . . these people have never GOOGLED!

  9. Re:RTFA by shyster · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Actually, that was one of the nicest C&D letters I've ever seen. The lawyer specifically mentions that:
    [the WordSpy.com]...definition implies that "google" is a verb synonymous with "search."

    Which, IMO (and others already voiced) is incorrect. To google, or googling specifically implies using google.com to search...not just any search engine. I don't know how the definition was listed beforehand, but the current definition includes

    "...people are using google as a more general verb meaning "to use an Internet search engine, particularly google.com""

    which is closer to the truth.

    The C&D letter then points out that

    we want to make sure that when people use "Google," they are referring to the services our company provides and not to Internet searching in general

    which is perfectly reasonable, considering that it was their name and search engine that is being used as part of popular slang.

    And then, they even give wordspy.com an easy out:

    We ask that you help us to protect our brand by...revising [the definition] to take into account the trademark status of Google.

    which seems reasonable to me, once again. Why not honor the search engine that has become a daily part of life for millions of users? It does no harm to the usage or definition of the verb, and is actually more accurate.

    All in all, I wouldn't even call this a C&D letter. More like a, "Hey! Show us some respect" letter.

  10. Re:Redifference between uppercase and lowercase by rusty+spoon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Isn't this similar to the very common vacuum manufacturer "Hoover". Everyone I know says they will "hoover the carpet" e.g. "I'll google for it".

    Again, it is similar to Xerox being used when photocopy was meant. I'm not sure if "making a xerox" is used so much nowadays thanks to the proliferation of photocopy machines but it certainly was common.

    Having said that my old copy of bookshelf has TM next to the term. Same for Xerox.