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Use of Math Languages and Packages in Research?

CEHT asks: "As a research programmer at the university, I have encountered numerous times when I need to choose which language(s) or package(s) to use for different projects. Tradeoffs and performance issues have to be considered: results from one package may be more compatible with the data from other researchers, another package may find the solution faster and use less resources, and so forth. Maple, Matlab, Magma, and Mathematica are among the most well-known packages. Libraries such as IMSL is also popular. Of course, there are smaller (and mostly free) packages that tend to target specific types of problem, such as LiDIA, Singular, and LAPACK. The question is, how useful are these [and other] math packages? Do researchers use only one or two packages for most of their projects? Or do people like to mix things a little by pulling the strength of different packages together to solve a math problem? If not, do researchers write C/C++ programs and use GMP or Matpack to solve math problems?"

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  1. Re:Octave by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
  2. Re:MathCad? by franimal · · Score: 5, Informative

    User friendly? Are you talking about the program that I use on a daily basis? Surely not. MathCAD is without a doubt the prettiest of all the options but it is among the worst in user interface.

    For those of you who are not familiar with MathCAD, it works like this:

    Anything and everything that you want to input into MathCAD is in it's own little box. Be it a text or an equation box.

    The horrid part is trying to organize all these boxes on the page. Putting everthing in a box means that it operates completely contrary to what most people are used to with MS Word. Say you enter some equations and then decide you want to add a few more in the middle. You can't just hit the up arrow and start typing with maybe an enter. Instead, you'll often have to select the later equations and drag them down to make room for the new. Then, if you have a lot of equations you likely didn't move all of them down. So, you have to select the equations that now overlap and select 'Separate Regions' from a menu. This gets to be very tedious.

    Furthermore, is it too much to expect MathCAD to figure out that I don't want have my equation on page one and the rest on page two? Why should I have to go and select "Reimpaginate' from a menu before I print?

    Entering equations is no joy either. I'm constantly frustrated when I try and do something as simple as add antoher term to an equation, like changing x^2 - 3 to x^2 + x - 3. I find myself starting over and at times typing 1 + 1 - 1 and then replacing the ones. I mean, come on, I've seen many math typeing solutions that are far better, in MathType, and LyX for example.

    Sure you might have a nice looking document but was it really worth the pain? Furthermore, I find MathCAD to be seriously lacking in function compared to Maple et al.

    Of course, Maple et al. all have their problems with user interface. Why should I have to end with a semi-colon? And you have to realize that it's never going to look the way you want it to. So you have to suck it up and do the math without worrying about the beauty of the output.

    Not to sell MathCAD short, there are some things that it does do well:

    • Units, the best unit management system I've had the joy to use. Very nice.

    • The output is beatiful.

    • Simple math that doesn't require big complicated equations and lots of loops.

    Personally, I can do the easy math by hand. For more advanced stuff check out SciPy.org. They provide a python interface to established numerical algorithms in C and Fortran. But it's much quicker and 'funner' to use. Unfortunately they are only at alpha right now. But, you can't be the price and for the most part, I've found the optimization sections to be quite stable. Combine it with pychart and your've got a good science package for free.

    Otherwise, the only package that I've actually heard people rave about is Matlab.

  3. Scilab by tie_guy_matt · · Score: 5, Informative

    I don't think anyone has mentioned scilab. It is a good GPL alternative (along with octave) to the expensive (expensive if you are a college student) matlab. It has been a while since I played with them alot but I found that matlab had the best graphing functions.

    Anyway the best package for you in part depends on what you are using it for. Matlab, scilab and octave are great for doing linear algebra things -- manipulating matrices and arrays etc. Some people complain about how slow matlab is. I find matlab is pretty fast as long as you use it for what it was designed for. You should use their built in functions as much as possible and use as few loops as possible. If you find yourself using a lot of loops try writing a mex function in C or FORTRAN.

    Maple and Mathmatica are great for Calculus differential equations etc. If you are doing a lot of matrix mulitiplies in Maple, you should be using matlab.

    Mathcad is user friendly but it is SLOW. Even old people who have been doing insane integrals in their heads since the 50's and refuse to even look at a computer can see a Mathcad print out and tell exactly what the program is doing.

    Hope this helps. Personally I like to use Octave and Scilab since they are GPL. Scilab is prettier IMHO but Octave is closer to Matlab (which I am already used to.)