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OS Projects and Your Resume?

DavonZ asks: "Being that many readers of Slashdot may have contributed to Open Source projects, I thought this the best place to ask this question: What is the best way to outline our side projects into our resumes? I did the conversion of the C700 from Japanese to English, review hardware for nvmax.com, run MaxProjects which ports applications to the Sharp Zaurus, founded the Embedded Linux Developers Group and still maintain a full-time job with a semiconductor. How to I add these into my resume? I have been told not to; to only enter them into my cover letter. Others have told me to add a projects section. I have even been told that I shouldn't mention my projects at all. Which is the best approach? What are other Slashdot readers doing?"

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  1. Hobbies and Interest by CounterZer0 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If you resume contains a 'hobbies and interests' section, add them there. They aren't education related, and they aren't *jobs*, so don't place them in the main body of your resume.

    A Cover letter would probably be the best spot overall though.

    1. Re:Hobbies and Interest by rizzo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Instead of having a "Jobs" section, I would prefer to have a "Work Experience" section, then you could include goal-related experience. Say if you were a programmer/developer for an OSS project, and you are trying to get a developer position. However, for this same position, listing your translating duties might fall into the Hobbies-n-Interest category.

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  2. Free Beer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Since OS projects are like free beer, why not give some to your potential employer? That is a sure-fire way to get employed.

  3. Community by rw2 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I added a "Community" section to my resume and put things like that there. Similar to a 'hobbies' section, but community expresses it better. Would running the local Unix security SIG be a hobby? Not really.

    My resume

    1. Re:Community by rw2 · · Score: 2, Funny

      By the way, for all you hiring managers out there, I'm available for contracts in April...

      See my resume in the parent.

    2. Re:Community by RedWolves2 · · Score: 2, Funny

      for all you hiring managers out there

      I thought they were extinct?

    3. Re:Community by rw2 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Good point.

      I retract my request. If anyone knows of a soup kitchen with especially fine fare, I'd appreciate a reference. I'll need something to eat starting around the end of April...

  4. Resume Construction by reyalsnogard · · Score: 4, Informative

    What better way to underline your passion for technology than to mention your extracurricular involvement w/ it?

    If your resume is strong as-is, and nets you the important first interview, you could manage by just mentioning your volunteer activities in a cover letter. With resumes, size does matter and the shorter, "the better."
    Otherwise, like some readers have already suggested, paste the information into a broadened "Experience" category or, if you prefer, an aptly named "Community" or "Projects" category.

    HTH.

    1. Re:Resume Construction by rw2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      With resumes, size does matter and the shorter, "the better."

      I find that this isn't true. If you only have two pages after ten years experience that says something about you. If you can't fit two years of experience into seven pages, that does to.

      I think that resumes, like many things, are best in moderation.

      You want something no shorter than is necessary to get your point across and no longer than is necessary to make sure the manager sees everything that might be germane to the position.

      That said, I think my resume is about right, but may be getting a little long. I'm toying with the idea of having a traditional two or three page resume with an appendix of interesting material that wouldn't normally make the cut. For example, I already have one appendix that lists the really nice things my bosses have had to say about me over the years. I've had several positive comments about this. Then the skimmer type manager has what he wants, but the extra information is there for those who want a bit more depth.

    2. Re:Resume Construction by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The thing is, you shouldn't have a resume. You should *create* a resume for every job that you apply to, that resume only listing what is of interest to that job.

      Your c.v. on the other hand, should list all sorts of crap. Similarly, in academia, you're going to have lists of your publishing and the like.

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    3. Re:Resume Construction by ichimunki · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not that I'm anyone whose opinion is worth anything, but that sounds like the best advice I've seen in this thread.

      As to the specific question at hand, I would probably list this as either "Related Experience" or "Professional Development" or any of 100 other euphemisms for "Stuff I didn't get paid much for, if at all, but makes me a better employee than I would be without it." Even if it's a "hobby" or "interest" I wouldn't call it that because that puts it in the same category as model railroading, teaching Sunday School, crochet, and jogging.

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    4. Re:Resume Construction by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 3, Informative

      Speaking as somebody who's hired, who's been hired, and who's been rejected, I'll tell you this.

      Very often: Your resume should be two pages. It should be catchy. It will be scanned for approximately 30 seconds, if even. It will be automatically discarded for a spelling mistake, formatting error, or other stupid little mistake.

      It serves one purpose, and one purpose only; to get you into an interview. Therefore, put onto those two pages what will get you into that interview. If it's for a security related position, and you've done some security SIG work, put it on there. If it's not, don't put it on there. Don't do anything cute (I heard of one woman that always stapled a package of cup-a-noodle soup to her resumes, with a little 'sit back, relax, have some soup, and enjoy the resume' note. The response? 'I don't have time for this' and into the trash can.) No wierd fonts, no water marks, no designs on the paper.

      Speaking of paper, use good, heavy, textured white or creme coloured paper. For a variety of reasons, from 'it soaks up the ink better' to 'it feels more solid' it's going to look nicer. You're selling yourself, as a product, basicially; pay some attention to packaging.

      Similarly, ALWAYS put some hobbies/interests. When it comes down to two equally skilled/appropriate individuals, the fact that you share some hobbies with your boss is going to be enough to nudge you over the edge. After all, you work with people, not skill sets.

      That having been said, when putting up a blanket online resume, it's going to be big. But if that's what you're printing and submitting, you're going to get tossed out.

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  5. my suggestion by vorwerk · · Score: 3, Informative

    Here's what I do, and I've had a fair bit of success with my resume:

    Put a "Special Skills" section at the top of your resume. In this section, list a few software/hardware/personal skills that stand out. Here, you can also list one or two of your open source contributions, but don't go into too much detail and make sure that you choose only your best contributions. (You want to be succint, but still get the message across.)

    Other alternative: you can list one or two of your contributions in your "Activities and Interests" section, near the end of your resume.

    -kris

  6. I'll for for having a projects section by leifw · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I added a projects section to my resume after my work experience section in which I list OS projects and various other things I've done in a non-work related fashion.

    I recently got hired for a new job. While I was interviewing for the spot, I was asked more than once about more than one of the projects I've done. They seemed genuinely interested in what I'd done.

    I think having a projects section as part of your resume is a good idea because it indicates that you take developing your skills outside of work seriously.

  7. Still work experience by AmbushBug · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is work experience just like any other job. The fact that you didn't get paid for it or that it was volunteer doesn't make any difference to someone looking at your resume. The point of the resume is to show what *related* work you have done in the past. So if you are applying for a software related position, your OS work is definately relevent work experience and should be listed with all your other work experience.

  8. Resumes are hard by pmz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    One thing I've learned is that no two people on the planet will give the same advice regarding resumes. Their effectiveness is so dependent on the personality of the person reading them that all you have on your side is hope and luck. The most important thing you can do is to express your projects somewhere on the resume or cover letter and hope that it catches an eye or scanning machine or two.

    If you have lot's of time, create a slightly different resume for each company based on your research and your estimate of their "atmosphere" or "corporate culture" or "Feng Shui energy displacement patterns" (that's as good as anything else, I guess).

    1. Re:Resumes are hard by JGski · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Not only that, resumes really need to target specific jobs (yes, a different resume for each job is best if you want to maximize you chances - no two resumes the same). Call it optimization or call it marketing spin or kissing up - the only outcome that matters is whether you get the job you want or not.

      Once you get enough experience under belt you want to rearrange your resume to make it a "perfect match" for any arbitrary job.

      And if you are over 40 you definitely want to "dial-out" experience to fly-in under the rampant age discrimination in the industry today

      Example: my current agency made me shave off 15 years. They said I shouldn't even bother otherwise. Never mind that the job and the management expectations of the job I'm working now on more closely match my original resume. Hey, the short resume got me in the door and was able to talk up the rest, so, whatever! :-p

      Related to this, has anyone seen any tools that allow you to break your resume up into reuseable components (ideally XML) and reassemble them quickly into multiple customized versions? Possible OSS project? Any takers.

    2. Re:Resumes are hard by lewp · · Score: 3, Informative

      I use this. It has features that let you include/exclude certain content to target different people. If you needed more flexibility than that, you could always write your own XSL stylesheet.

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  9. Stand out. by cybermace5 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Employers are interested in what you can do.

    You know your kung-foo well enough to do what you have done, in your "spare" time. I think independent projects help prove that you really do have the skills, and weren't just a tagalong on some work-related project.

    Anything you can do to make your resume look better, makes you more formidable as my opponent. ;-)

    When you do get an interview, the immediate supervisors and potential co-workers are usually the most interested in your projects. I've had interviews where the bulk of the interview questions involved independent projects.

    However, I haven't had too many interviews recently...so maybe employers are more interested in the number of years you worked for someone.

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  10. General Resume advice by datastew · · Score: 3, Insightful

    One thing I try to keep in mind is that the main purpose of my resume is to get me an interview.

    Bearing that in mind, one tactic would be to put on the resume something general about contributing to FOSS. Then, they have to actually contact you to find out the specifics. This also helps keep the resume brief, which is a good thing.

  11. Note that... by GeckoX · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Your average response here is going to be from an unemployed technozealot of some sort telling you what to do with your resume to get a job, that they don't have.

    Your best bet is to make a resume that is the best representation of the work you are capable of. If you read it, and it looks like it describes you and you'd give yourself a job then get it out there and see what happens. You'll find out pretty quickly whether it's working or not, and if not make some adjustments and go at it again.

    IMHO, people spend WAY too much time worrying about how to write the perfect resume when they'd already have a job if they'd put that energy directly into finding jobs and applying for them.

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  12. try before you buy... by boldingl · · Score: 2, Interesting

    put it in there! for employers, this is a further chance to "try before you buy" - they get to see some projects that you've worked on, rathern than just hear about them. I contribute to several projects, and have details of these on my CV. At every single interview, without exception, I have been asked more details about the Open Source projects that I work on. All have been intrigued to learn more. At the end of the day, it is something that will make you well remembered and stick in an employers mind, which is going to make it much more likely that you will get an interview, or the job.

  13. Don't forget. . . by polyphemus-blinder · · Score: 2, Funny

    to mention that you got a story posted on /.
    :)

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  14. Watch out for Intellectual Property issues by lindsayt · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Generally, I think all relevant experience should go on a resume, including this kind of avocational programming and project work.

    My only concern is that by alerting your potential employer to such projects you might find Intellectual Property issues - they might claim that such work is their IP and not yours, and/or they might write this into your contract.

    This may seem overly paranoid, and it's a judgment call you'll have to make. I work for a University so IP is not really a concern, but when my wife worked in the corporate world there was some concern about off-time work that was substantially similar to her corporate work, and the definition of *substantially similar* can be pretty sketchy...

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  15. be honst on your resume by CEHT · · Score: 3, Insightful

    One advice is be honst on your resume. It doesn't matter if you put your opensource experiences under Voluteering or Community sections.

    From my experience as a project admin in two projects at sourceforge.net, I know there are a lot of people who join opensource projects just to get the names on their resume. So, what the project does is not that important. (For example, people can submit just one Linux kernel hack and claim themselves kernel developers on their resumes. Unethical, but possible.) The important thing is to be honst and state clearly what you have contributed (learned) to (from) the project(s). And if you have a very good relationship with the project admin, why not ask him/her to be your reference on your resume.

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  16. Re:Those who aren't interested want a short resume by (H)elix1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    In general, people who are not interested in you want a short resume.

    Someone who is actually interested, who is thinking of spending $80,000 per year in salary and expenses to hire you, will want to know as much as possible about you.


    Not true... It says volumes when you can focus a broad range of skills and experience into a couple pages - and sell the business angle too. Surprisingly few techies get the latter. I've seen way to many four plus page CV's that go all the way back to some junior high internship. I've actually seen folks list logo. Argh!

    The thing to be afraid of is the short interview... because they will want to know as much as possible about you. Just not on the CV.

  17. Job with a semiconductor? by DasBub · · Score: 2, Funny

    and still maintain a full-time job with a semiconductor.

    Tell us, what sort of job do you have with a dwarfish locomotive employee?

  18. Re:(OT) Resumes are hard by rw2 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Heh, the first GPLed resume. Funny.

    You can, of course, crib the style. Try not to apply for my job, eh? ;-)

    it's

    Good, thanks.

    Fermilab

    I think it's a funny sentence even after you patch, I'm going to consider changes that obviate the need for that clumsy sentenece completly.

    Landis

    Good, thanks.

    Swing master

    Style matters. I'm not accepting this patch, but will consider it for a future release.

    Thanks a lot, I appreciate the fresh eyes making my bugs shallow.