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Why Does a Screen Re-Draw Make Noises?

grungy asks: "On several computers I have owned, I have noticed an audible noise related to large screen re-draws. A hardware guy once hypothesized that the large memory-move operation was creating electronic 'noise' which was then picked up and audibly amplified by my speaker. I unwired my speaker, removed it from the machine and put it in a different room, and the phenomenon still occurred. At this point I assumed it was something going on/emanating from the monitor itself. Now I have a TiBook laptop with an LCD panel. At quiet moments I can still hear it when I drag windows around. I have tried doing big memcpy's & the like, I don't get the same noise. I've been wondering about this for years. Anybody know what gives?"

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  1. Electromagnetism by Mad+Quacker · · Score: 5, Informative

    Whenever you have a flow of current, you will have a magnetic field generated, and that field reacts with the environment to cause motion. Even though computers are 'digital' doesn't mean that some how they are immune from the all the laws of electromagnetism we use to design analog devices like speakers - it's all the same thing. If nothing else, there is always the earth's magnetosphere to react with like a speaker's coil to it's magnet.

    It's the same reason electrical transformers hum, and fluorescent lights buzz.

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    "I don't know that atheists should be considered citizens, nor should they be considered patriots." George HW Bush
    1. Re:Electromagnetism by Smidge204 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I wasn't aware that humans could 'hear' electromagnetic waves. :)

      The reason transformers hum is because their cores are vibrating in response to the magnetic fields they're subjected to. Same with flourecent lights (which have transformers in them).

      But yeah, just about every AC power appliance gives off a "Hum" of electromagnetic waves, and digital devices, with their constant pulsing, do it as well. And preventing the two from interacting is big business.

      Some good examples from personal experience:

      Trying to record some audio clips, but when I play them back, half of them have a STRONG buzz in the background. So loud you can barely hear the recording. Turns out my mom turned on her ceramic kiln in the basement (which sucks a lot of juice), creating strong interference. Sure enough, when the kiln turned off, the problem went away.

      If I have the volume up, not only can I "hear" the screen redraws, but the mouse move, my keyboard pulse, and my network card go to work. If I have the headphones on and the volume all the way up, I can hear the hard drive working, too. (Interestingly, I'm reminded of this one government "safe room" that was specifically sheilded to stop these pulses, since it would be possible to catch and decode them to figure out what the input devices are doing. eg: passwords and other text)

      =Smidge=

    2. Re:Electromagnetism by Sentry21 · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's the same reason electrical transformers hum

      Because they don't know the words?

      --Dan

  2. Tempest Radiation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    LCDs do not have the electro-magnetic radiation that can be picked up by passing DOJ vehicles for license validations.

    In late 1997, a secret comittee was formed and ushed in a new era of aural-based tempest radiation sensors. They created a bill that stipulated all LCD monitors needed audio broadcasting capabilities for governmental remote viewing. It was rushed through congress during secret underworld briefings and eventually passed at the Grand New World Order Council, codified in January, 1998.

    Today these signals are still somewhat perceptible in the lower frequencies, but they emit a wide spectrum for large data broadcasts. Simple listening devices can pick up many user metrics, and are not limited to merely what's displayed on the screen.

    I hope this answers your question.

  3. Noisesssssssses, yesssssss! by orthogonal · · Score: 4, Funny

    I have noticed an audible noise related to large screen re-draws.

    Do the noises sound like sounds?

    Do the sounds sound like words?

    Are they talking?

    Talking to you?

    Telling you to do something?

    Something like...

    Kill! Kill! Kill?

    Kill the nassssty hobbitses?

    For the precious, preciousssss, preciousssssss

    Ring?


    Yessssss. Yesssssss. Kill the hobbitses!

    1. Re:Noisesssssssses, yesssssss! by Lord+Bitman · · Score: 4, Funny

      no, it's more like a clicking sound.

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      -- 'The' Lord and Master Bitman On High, Master Of All
  4. stop eating mushrooms by Bastian · · Score: 4, Funny

    or at least get them from the grocery store instead of collecting them out in the forest.

    That should solve the problem quick.

  5. Possibly the power supply by toybuilder · · Score: 4, Informative

    The hissy-screechy-screech-screech that you're hearing might also be coming from the power supply. To the extent that it would carry into your audio circuit, electrical noise would easily translated to acoustic noise through your speaker/headset.

    However, it's also possible that you have a marginal power supply that operates at switching frequencies that approaches human-audible frequencies; or the actual current draw changes from high-speed memory transfers within the graphic sections (board) has a human-audible frequency component to it that actually emanates from (say) the torroids in the supply.

    People with very sensitive high-frequency hearing can sometimes tell the brightness of a television screen just by listening...

    This could also happen from other activity -- I once had a 386 PC which, when running DOS, would emanate the tell-tale sound when it was waiting for keyboard input. It was kinda neat, actually -- I could go read other things while waiting for a program to finish its calculation -- and I didn't have to keep looking up at the screen...

  6. Re:Static electricity? by Mad+Quacker · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Just to add to that, there are quite a few people that can hear the extremely high-pitched whine of CRT's scanning - we can tell if a TV is on in a room without looking with it on mute. The channel changing sound is much lower pitch so almost anyone can hear that, not to mention the static discharges that can occur. It's no surprise to us that electronics make noise, in fact sometimes it can be downright painful. I used to have this 32" inch TV that would whine to the point of pain until it warmed up 5-10 minutes later. Of course as I cover my ears everybody else doesn't notice a thing. Good ears can be a curse :(

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  7. Re:Static electricity? by Goldsmith · · Score: 3, Informative

    Not quite true.

    Remember that light itself is electromagnetic radiation. The change in screen color (as suggested by one comment) might be enough to make some small amount of noise.

    More likely, it's an induced response from the screen material to the changing charges across the screen. An LCD works by putting an electric field across a liquid crystal to allow/block light. As you redraw, those electric fields are changing. Those fields might have a small effect on actual material the LCD is made of. Those materials might have a small sensitivity to electric fields, and there is almost certainly some small charge even from dust on the screen.

    So... after all that, it's my guess that the clicking noise (I've heard it too, you're not insane) is portions of the plastic on/in the screen either expanding out or contracting in with the field, essentially "popping" in an out.

    Another thing it might be is electrically charged dust (dust does not have to be neutral) moving around on the screen. Try dusting your screen and seeing if that does anything.

  8. BOFH: by Eneff · · Score: 4, Funny

    *Turns Calendar Page*

    Looks like it's Duplicated backplane dereferencing signal.

    You see, the operating system has to keep a buffer of the screen in memory, and similar to dereferencing a pointer, the dereferencing of this backplane, or buffer, temporarily distorts the signal on monitors that haven't been serviced lately.

    {DUMMY MODE ON}

    Luckily, this is something you can quiet fairly easily. Do you have a screwdriver?

  9. Solution by D.A.+Zollinger · · Score: 4, Funny

    You are hearing noises from yout computer?
    Ok, this is what you need to do:

    Listen to music. LOUD music. For years on end. Eventually, you will get to the point where you will no longer hear the noises coming from your computer. Problem solved!

    Ehh? What did you say? Speak up, son!

    --
    I haven't lost my mind!
    It is backed up on disk...somewhere...
  10. Re:Static electricity? by You're+All+Wrong · · Score: 4, Informative

    LCD actually change physical state, i.e. there is a mechanical change. Enough of those at the same time, and there will be some sound. A little like piezo-electric shriekers, but much smaller, and with much smaller movement, and only a single pulse of movement rather than repeated oscillation.

    My Psion 5 used to sing a merry song to me all the time as things changed on screen. Almost everything LCD makes these noises in some quantity. I do have very sensitive ears though, so perhaps not everyone hears them.

    YAW.

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    Your head of state is a corrupt weasel, I hope you're happy.
  11. Noise.... by keoghp · · Score: 5, Funny

    They are all wrong...
    It's a little guy in the computer with chalk, drawing the pictures on the screen. Sometimes when the screen "freezes" - it's him taking a break.

    After a long spell at the coomputer you can usually hear him gasping for breath.

    When he has run out of colours and he only has blue left - that when you get the BSOD.

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    For problems, seek only the simplest solution, complexity brings with it more problems.
  12. Re:Yep, me too. Bad RF shielding. by Scorchio · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Presumably you're refering to this event at the Homebrew Computer Club back in 1975... (snipped from this article)

    The Altair may have been frustrating, but it drove the nerds to experiment, finding real uses for the useless box, turning it from a curiosity to a computer.

    Lee Felsenstein
    Steve Dumpier set up an Altair, ehm laboriously keyed a program into it. Somebody knocked a plug out of the wall and he had to do that all over again but nobody knew what this was about. After all, was it just going to sit and flash its lights? No.

    Roger Melen
    You put a little eh transistor radio next to the Altair and he would by manipulating the length of loops in the sofware - could play tunes.

    Lee Felsenstein
    The radio began playing 'Fool on the Hill'....Da da da, da da da....and the tinny little tunes that you could tell were coming from the noise that the computer was generated being picked up by the radio. Everybody rose and applauded. I proposed that he receive the stripped Philips Screw Award for finding a use for something previously thought useless. But I think everybody was too busy applauding to even hear me.

    Roger Melen
    It was a very exciting thing, it was probably the first thing the Altair actually did.


    On a related note, my old BBC micro used to pick up interference on it's internal speaker, which could actually be used for some basic debugging. You could tell if it had crashed, or whether it was still running round a particularly heavy maths loop, etc...

  13. Crappy hardware by jfunk · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Properly designed hardware should not do this.

    A few weeks ago, I thought my Soyo Dragon motherboard had gone flaky because I was getting massive fs corruption when copying between drives. I panicked and went out and bought a new motherboard without having done any research. I told the guy I wanted to replace a Soyo Dragon and had 5 IDE devices, including 3 7200 RPM drives. The moron gave me an MSI KT3 Ultra2. That is not a replacement for a Dragon. The onboard sound doesn't even have digital audio outputs. I was using the Dragon's SPDIF to connect to my speakers. It sounds very nice.

    I tried it out anyway. One thing I noticed right away was that I could hear noise whenever I selected text or moved a window. I took it back (for other reasons as well) and got my money back. The fs corruption was caused by the power supply unable to put out the power so I got a new one.

    Right now I'm using the Dragon's analog out and there's no noise at all at any normal volume. If I turn everything up to maximum, I can barely hear something above the fan noise, but if I play something at that level, my ears would hurt.

    1. Re:Crappy hardware by shepd · · Score: 3, Informative

      You got an MSI for a reason.

      From my experience, here's what I've found as to why to buy from different motherboard manufacturers:

      Soyo: A value board. Lots of stuff crammed on for a good price, or hardly anything on it for a bargain basement price. Not a bad board, but not top notch.

      MSI: The die-hard motherboard. Might not be a cadillac, might even have some annoyances, has no luxuries at all (usually), but dammit, they _always_ work, and are reasonably priced.

      Asus: The "high-end" motherboard. Just like cars, where more money gets you some bells and whistles, but not always more reliability, Asus motherboards are bought by people trying to show their box is "awesome" because it cost more. If you look past the pricing, quite a good board. Lots of support, too.

      ABIT: The ricers mobo. ;-) Designed for overclockers, with the stability overclockers (not sysadmins) expect. Usually the higher cost for these boards nullifies overclocking benefits, but just like people who add "Type-R" stickers to their cars, the people buying these boards don't care.

      PC Chips (aka any weird Chinese name you can think of): When cheap-enough (Soyo) isn't. Zero support, stolen/fake parts, and a high failure rate. But look at those prices! Often found in low-end Brand Name machines.

      ECS: PC Chips "top-notch" line. A well supported stolen/fake parts brand motherboard.

      A-Open: Overall, pretty good stuff. Good in most categories (price, support, quality, performance) but fell out of favour with after providing me with a broken BIOS for an old board, ruining it (didn't have an EEPROM burner at the time). Definately not an overclocker's board.

      Shuttle: Haven't had enough experience with their product. Boards I have seen were reasonable.

      Tyan: Haven't seen too many of these boards, but people I know tend to regard them as a good for a frankenserver board.

      There's others (gigabyte, biostar [pc chips?], intel, DTK, etc) but I simply don't see these boards in operation much anymore.

      So that's why they sold you MSI. You came in telling them your board was causing you hell, so they gave you the bulletproof one. I'd have reccomended you to stick with it and buy a PCI sound card (heck, if it were my store, I'd probably just give you a used SB PCI128), but hey, that's just me. Then again, I'd have replaced your board with an MSI with the Nforce2 chipset, so you'd have decent sound to start with.

      --
      If you could be told what you can see or read, then it follows that you could be told what to say or think - BoC
  14. Wow!!!! by FreeLinux · · Score: 4, Informative

    I'm amazed at the number of answers from the "Slashdot experts" and yet I don't see the correct one yet.

    The noise you hear is actually fairly simple to explain. First of all, people should realize that this is not RF noise coming through the speaker, as you tried to explain. This is a noise generated by the vibration of a system component.

    Your graphics card is the culprit. Remember that your hardware is full of clocks(vibrating crystals) and switches(transistors). These microscopic components move or vibrate at very high frequencies. Vibration creates noise, as we all know. But, the vibrations(or frequencies) change when the image on the screen changes. Certain colors and certain movements on the screen create frequecies that are perceptible to human hearing and you hear a slight buzz or high pitched whine form your video card.

    If you want to test my answer, try changing the frequencies for your display and you will hear the sound come and go. You will also notice the pitch will change when different frequency setting are used.

    Some hardware is less prone to this because of thicker cladding or more secure mountings but, they all do it. It's just that some equipment is louder than others.

    1. Re:Wow!!!! by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Insightful
      I think you're probably wrong. I think it's far more likely that the sounds being heard are related to the power supply of the monitor. We all know that monitors make a number of sounds during normal operation and that they have a lot of high voltage inside of them.

      You can DEFINITELY hear sounds of this nature (during screen redraw) come out of the speakers of many older computers. I had this issue with my Amiga.

      If the noise is actually originating in the video card, it's probably due to poor design in terms of RF, and the noise is probably being put out onto the ground of the motherboard, and thus transmitted to the sound card.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
  15. If you... by psyconaut · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...bury you TiBook in the forest and leave it there....does it still make screen redraw noises? ;-)

  16. Re:Just wait a while... by llzackll · · Score: 4, Funny

    'we can also hear the so called "silent alarms" used in some banks'

    What exactly is it you do for a living?! Do you hear these silent alarms often?