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Microsoft Opens Source to China

angst7 writes "ZDNet is reporting that Microsoft has signed an agreement which would allow the Chinese government access to Windows source code. This is part of an effort to curb the shift toward Linux in China due to that country's concerns regarding the security of closed source software." Reader NZheretic points out that less than a year ago, Jim Allchin swore under oath that disclosing the Windows operating system source code could damage national security.

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  1. Purjury by BWJones · · Score: 5, Interesting

    less than a year ago, Jim Allchin swore under oath that disclosing the Windows operating system source code could damage national security.

    So, does this open the door for a purjury investigation? I would think that a number of companies would look upon this with great interest.

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    1. Re:Purjury by kbielefe · · Score: 5, Interesting

      "Damaging to national security" is almost the exact phrasing used to describe a piece of data that is required to be classified. If the government really felt that it could be damaging, the windows source code would be classified, all MS employees that had access to it would require a security clearance, and there would be a host of other requirements to protect it from being disclosed. Since that hasn't happened, I don't think anyone really took that claim seriously.

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  2. Cynic's view by Crispy+Critters · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Someone will tell me if I am way off base, but...

    Trade secrets: Beyond a doubt there are piles of things in the source code that could be considered trade secrets. One way to protect trade secrets is to make certain that they are widely available but not legally available. In the cynic's view (i.e. mine) M$ wants the code to be leaked by China.

    If the code is illegally leaked, it is very easy for M$ to accuse other products (future Linux apps?) of using illegally acquired trade secrets. How can the authors, living in countries around the world, prove that none of them have ever seen illegally leaked material?

    Based on what I have read about the development of the clone of the IBM BIOS, it appears that the burden of proof de facto lies on the defendant to show that they are not using trade secrets illegally.

    This may give M$ a very big gun to point at any colloboratively developed code that they don't care for.

  3. What's good for Microsoft ... by watchful.babbler · · Score: 5, Interesting
    "What's good for America, is good for General Motors, and vice versa."

    - GM President Charlie Wilson, 1953

    Although I've always felt that "cyberwar" scenarios were rather overblown attempts at giving backroom geeks frontline roles, the military certainly takes it seriously; one well-received military paper a few years ago warned that America's IT defenses were on a par with the ability of Task Force Smith (whose ignominious retreat from Korean forces showed how woefully unprepared America was for the Korean conflict).

    As we know, China has been touted as the first great cyberwar enemy; allegedly, China does have a "hacker brigade" tasked with disrupting American networks and computer systems in times of war, to rectify the strategic imbalance between the two nations. Now, Microsoft plans to open to a strategic rival of the U.S. the internal code that will power the Navy's upcoming CVN-77 aircraft carrier, plus other "smart ships."

    This raises an interesting question for the Administration: although, as Vann H. Van Diepen (Director of the Office of Chemical, Biological, and Missile Nonproliferation) told Congress, export controls to China are not enforced in "areas where the technology is widely available as commodity items ... such as low-level computers," the source code to a mission-critical operating system used by military C4 systems is certainly not a "commodity item," nor is it "widely available." Will the White House put national security over Microsoft's profits? Les Kinsolving, call your office!

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  4. Re:What good does this do by ajs · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You missed the original poster's point. He was asking what happens if China gets the source, but cannot verify that the binaries that they were given (e.g. the shrink-wrapped version) is based on this source-code or something else (e.g. this with some special calls to MSNSAWeakenSSLKeySpace(true)).

    Ultimately, if China cannot reproduce the binaries from the source, they will probably have to dismiss this as a marketting stunt.

  5. Re:And it was so hard for them to make viruses bef by Zeinfeld · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Modded as "interesting"? I'm sure more viruses have come out the USA than China.

    Actually some versions of code red did have code to detect the language that a site's web pages were in and trashed the site if it wasn't in Chineese. Then a few days after this was discovered a second verison of the same worm appeared which did the opposite. Code Red hit at the time that the US spy plane was forced down in China.

    There are plenty of examples of politically motivated hacking, the Palestinians and Israelis have been having an ongoing proxy war for some time. However almost all the events appear to be the work of independent agents working on their own rather than being coordinated cyber-warfare.

    The only example of state sponsored cyberwarfare I am aware of is the attacks on Usenet by Hasan B-) Mutlu and Serdar Argic who roboposted thousands of anti-armenian propaganda messages. Mutlu and Argic were both pseudonyms used by an officer of thr turkish intelligence service which was concerned that reports on the Turkish massacre of Armenians during world war I were circulating on Usenet and damaging the image of Turkey abroad at a time when the post USSR CIS was fragmenting into racial warfare. So they roboposted claims of a bogus masacre of turks by armenians repeatedly in order to drown out and discredit the genuine claims that the turks massacred the armenians.

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  6. Interesting but... by Eric+Damron · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I understand that China is not allowed to compile the program. That being the case how can they be sure that they have the complete source.

    The only way that I can see a government feeling warm and fuzzy about this would be if they were allowed to examine all 500 million lines of code and to compile it themselves and distribute that.

    Even doing this they will have to do the same thing to every update and every proprietary piece of software that they run on government computers.

    I think that Linux is still the way to go for China.

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  7. Re:Not even sharing, just showing really by palme999 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    My question is, what happens if they violate this agreement? I mean what could MS possibly do the Chinese government is they (China) decides to modify, redistribute, or simply publish it? Are they (MS) gonna file lawsuits, pursuade the US to go after them, what? An American corp has essentually zero scare power when it comes to a foreign nation.