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Johansen Prosecutors Appeal

kmitnick writes "Jon Johansen will be back in court, tried again in an appeals court, because Hollywood knows better than the Norwegian legal system." Norway's legal system is different than the U.S.; the government can appeal a loss in a criminal case.

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  1. When will they realize... by themaddone · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The Motion Picture Association of America, representing major Hollywood studios like Walt Disney Co., Universal Studios and Warner Bros, filed the complaint against Johansen at Norway's Economic Crime Unit.

    The group estimates that piracy costs the U.S. motion picture industry $3.0 billion annually in lost sales.


    When are the MPAA and the RIAA going to realize that while they may be losing money, is isn't close to that magnitude?

    Even if we couldn't download the movies and music, we wouldn't be buying the CDs or DVDs in those numbers. Out of every 100 albums or movies you download (the general "you"), how many would you have bought if you couldn't download them? 10? 5? 1? If it's only 1, or 1% of the movies you download, then that $3.0 billion figure is only $30 million. Which is pennies in a multi-billion dollar industry.

    It's amazing how the game isn't "How much money are we losing," but rather "How much money would we have lost in this incredibly unrealistic circumstance?"

    1. Re:When will they realize... by gnovos · · Score: 4, Insightful

      When are the MPAA and the RIAA going to realize that while they may be losing money, is isn't close to that magnitude? ...

      It's amazing how the game isn't "How much money are we losing," but rather "How much money would we have lost in this incredibly unrealistic circumstance?"


      Oh, I'm pretty sure that they know that already.. my question is:

      When are the MPAA and the RIAA going to figure out that they are "losing" money by not having the governments of the world mandate that thier citizens buy thier product? I'm serious, after all, the logic is the same. By not forcing every American to buy at least 10 albums a year, the RIAA "loses" $50 BILLION a year! And that is America alone. Can you believe that? That is a travesty! By not having every nation on earth mandate that every man woman and child buy at leat three albums a year, they are "losing" $360 BILLION and that's EVERY SINGLE YEAR! Add piracy on top of that and we are at $363 billion. Wow, that is almost as much as the defense budget for the entire US.

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  2. Re:Double Jeopardy by fishbowl · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The situation that made the double jeopardy clause seem so important to the framers of the US Constitution was that oppressive governments can and do repeatedly prosecute people until they reach the verdict they wanted. Because the government has unlimited resources to accomplish this, compared to those of any defendant, the situation is fundamentally unfair. But what's important to know about doctrines against double jeopardy is that they are not written into government documents just because some wise pre-industrial politician thought it would be a good idea, but because they were already absolutely sick and tired of seeing the exact same means of oppression being used against them. It was an issue that people were willing to kill or die over, and not some absract ideal that would be nice to have.

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  3. article is so misleading.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Look at this BS:

    Norwegian Teenager to Face Retrial for Film Piracy

    Calling what Jon did "piracy" is a bit of a stretch isn't it? He wrote a program that reads the format of DVDs. Amazing that a news organization would use this expression.

    acquitted by an Oslo court in January of charges of theft

    No shit! Since there was no "theft", not even Mickey-Mouse Monopoly Money Copyright "theft"!

    The group estimates that piracy costs the U.S. motion picture industry $3.0 billion annually in lost sales.

    What does this have to do with Jon? How much did Jon lose from this stupid case, which has nothing to do with the MPAA's imaginary loses?

    Johansen has become a symbol for hackers worldwide who say making software such as his -- called DeCSS -- is an act of intellectual freedom rather than theft.

    Uh, hello, WRITING SOFTWARE is an act of creation, not of theft. Can't these people read the illogical statements they write?

    There is no specific legislation in Norway to protect digital content, but Johansen's program has been criminalized in the United States under the Digital Copyright Millennium Act.

    What, you mean Norway doesn't have copyright law? Yeah right. Laws like the DMCA don't protect *content* they protect *access methods* which "protect" content. They are "paracopyright" laws like one author has written.

    I wish they would write the story and tell the truth: DVD-Jon wrote a program that lets you load DVDs into your computer. THAT'S ALL.

    The evolution of Piracy:

    1. boarding a ship, killing and/or raping all on board, stealing the cargo
    2. selling mass-producing conterfeit records and CDs
    3. making and giving copies of a record to your friends
    4. violating any aspect of a license agreement
    5. doing something that might facilitate the above

    What's next on the list I wonder?? Piracy == the crime of not preventing copyright infringement when you see it happening. Or maybe Piracy == not buying the latest Britnee CD.

    FUCK I can't wait for this copyright nonesense to sort itself out.