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Maine Laptop Program a Success

Myoglobinologist writes "The New York Times has an article about how the State of Maine purchased $37 million worth of iBooks from Apple. The article states that the kids have adapted quickly to the laptops, attendance is up, and there is even heart-warming testimony from some politicians that were opposed to the project." We've done several previous stories about this initiative (they were originally considering custom-designed thin client machines - probably a good idea to go with off-the-shelf systems), and it's interesting to see how it has panned out.

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  1. Think different by mirko · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Actually, this has been discussed here long ago, but iBooks have a really good bang-for-the-buck ratio...

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    1. Re:Think different by Mononoke · · Score: 4, Informative
      Grammatically, your statement is incorrect. You say "Think different" since different is modifing your verb, you should use the adverb form, differently.
      Historically, his statement is correct. 'Think Different' was the phrase used in Apple's advertising campaign a few years ago. The object is implied: Think different things. Just as if I'd asked you for a big box, you asked "How big?" and I said "Think large."
      Remember kids, friends don't let friends use improper grammar.
      Remember, friends don't let friends become pedants.

      Where were you three years ago when everyone else was arguing about this?

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  2. Heathy eating by danormsby · · Score: 5, Funny

    About time school kids had more apples.

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  3. Where's MY iBook? by Rtech · · Score: 5, Funny

    All I have are 20 pounds-worth of big old books. Then again, though.. where I live, we might be expected to use bookcovers, since they are "iBooks"... *mutters about small country towns*

  4. upgrades by wayward_son · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What happens come upgrade time? While there was a surplus when the program started, most states now have a deficit. Some of the schools in my state have resorted to turning off all hall lights to save money. Granted, Maine is better off than S.C., but the money has to come from somewhere.

    1. Re:upgrades by questamor · · Score: 5, Informative

      The bane of 2nd hand mac collectors could then turn into a bonus for schools.

      Macs hold their value to ridiculous levels, some because the hardware is quite decent to start with, and part because there are less 2nd hand macs to go around than say, 2nd hand Dells.

      In any case, schools should either be able to get a decent amount back from selling the things to upgrade when it's necessary, or if the machines are leased from apple it's likely there are planned upgrades in there.

    2. Re:upgrades by Christopher+Bibbs · · Score: 5, Informative

      The computers are leased, not owned, so their is no upgrade. They'll simply lease better machines in a few years when they turn these back in.

    3. Re:upgrades by grammar+nazi · · Score: 4, Interesting
      This is true. I recently sold a 450MHz G4 (128MB RAM) for $600. That was with NO monitor and NO software. I offered to include OS X 10.2, but the buyer wasn't interested.

      Try to sell the equivalent P3 for that amount. It won't happen.

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  5. didn't business learn this back in early 1900's by mark_lybarger · · Score: 5, Interesting

    there were lots of studies about factory workers and those that were given some attention liked their job more. put windows into the factory and morale goes up, production goes up. treat people nicely, and they'll feel good about themselves. nice to see the old tried and true is still being shown today.

    btw. i can't read the article, the link only went to NYT front page, and the link from there didn't give me an article. anyone willing to help a guy actually read the article ??? hint hint.

    1. Re:didn't business learn this back in early 1900's by firewrought · · Score: 5, Informative
      there were lots of studies about factory workers and those that were given some attention liked their job more. put windows into the factory and morale goes up

      These were the Hawthorne Studies... they specifically tried to determine the effect of lighting levels on worker productivity. Increasing the amount of light appeared to improve output. But decreasing the amount of light did the same thing. I don't think anyone knows for sure why the workers responded to the change in light instead of the absolute value of the lighting level. Prehaps they felt management was taking care of them. Prehaps they were more auspicious about being observed by the guys conducting the study.

      And yeah... a similar thing is happening in Maine. Are they really being effective with those laptops? Will it really pay off for Maine in the long run? Do we have any confidence that these laptops are being used effectively?

      I don't think I'll hold my breath.

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    2. Re:didn't business learn this back in early 1900's by liquidsin · · Score: 4, Funny

      put windows into the factory and morale goes up, production goes up

      Really? They tried to make ME use Windows and my production went way the hell down. Kudos to Main for going Mac instead!

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  6. Non-registration link by ajuda · · Score: 4, Informative

    I'm sure everyone would prefer to read the article here since it doesn't require a username or password.

    1. Re:Non-registration link by cyb97 · · Score: 4, Informative

      or just log in with
      username: secret
      password: secret
      and for some strange reason this tends to work a lot of places that stupidly enough require registration to read otherwise free[tm] information...

  7. Well at least they're not pc notebooks by acehole · · Score: 4, Funny

    we'd end up having a bunch of kids with 3rd degree burns on thier laps.

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  8. 33,000 machines ruined by leaky roof. by NexusTw1n · · Score: 4, Insightful
    "We were struggling with construction issues: schools needed to be built; there were leaky roofs and not enough books."
    Employees are also facing 4 day working weeks to cut costs.

    OK attendance is up - at least until they have to give the machines back at the end of the year.

    But really shouldn't the money have been spent on basic infrastructure like paper books, new ceilings and full time staff ?
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    1. Re:33,000 machines ruined by leaky roof. by Grayputer · · Score: 5, Informative

      OK, Since I was at least vaguely 'in the loop' on this at the time it started ...

      The issue was a State initiative to increase higher salary high tech jobs in Maine. Diggin potatoes, pickin blueberries, and selling tourists McDogchow and T-shirts are basically minimum wage jobs. Data entry, programming, WP, and the like are usually more than Min wage. In a review of WHY Maine wasn't attracting more high tech the result was: little infrastructure and unskilled workforce.

      Result, a 'bold' plan to increase workforce skill level over the long haul by integrating computer skills in the standard school curiculum and hopefully haul some fiber into the state, at least the southern part to start.

      Running one off worker retraining was seen as too short sighted, the school plan ensured a 'steady stream' of skilled workers. The fiber issue was thought to eventually resolve itself but a one time kick in the pants to start it rolling was considered.

      Unfortunately, I was 'out of the loop' by the time this thing actually started forward so I have no clue on the actual implementation, or where the initial discussions actually wound up.

  9. Just because attendance is up... by ajuda · · Score: 4, Insightful

    and kids are more excited, it does not necessarily mean that they are learning any more than they were before. Wouldn't the money be better spent if Maine used it to attract more/better teachers with higher salaries?

  10. kids are quick to adopt to the ibooks? by lingqi · · Score: 4, Funny
    no kidding! I swear, kids are quick to adopt to everything. Maybe their brain is still empty so cramming stuff in is easy - or there is some osmosis going on that just sucks all the "how to use computer" knowledge right in with a swishing noise.

    Heck, I swear if you taught a kid some assembly on an X86, and they found it remotely fun, they will be hacking out FFT algorithms under three monthes.

    This afinity of kids with technology is amazing. It is a wonder why most of them don't apply it to piano lessons, though.

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  11. OMG, don't support this by Joe+the+Lesser · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I am a born and raised Mainer, thus I must:

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    Maine's education system is in terrible shape. Many schools are too small, many teachers are underpaid, and there's little funding for books and repairs for any of the counties here.

    Gov. King was not a bad Governer, but his insistance that the state pay money so that middle schoolers could have laptops even stupified my liberal mind.

    Those students do not need laptops! They need good teachers! They need nutritious food programs! They need cultural programs! I've spoken with many students who could care less about their laptops. They're in frickin' middle school. Their homework is algebra, not write a ten page research paper.

    This was simply a program put in place to show that the state cared about it's education and pretend that their children weren't tools because they could use a laptop, basically a 'I don't know what to do so let's buy something exciting' move.

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    Thank you for your time.

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    1. Re:OMG, don't support this by metlin · · Score: 5, Insightful


      You know, the tools that you provide do not really matter until you reach a certain maturity when you view them as just that - tools. And middle or highschool is hardly the time when you'd view them so.

      The idea that giving a bunch of laptops or palm PDAs or whatever sounds more like a political move than anything that would truly help an educational system.

      Kids during middle and high school should be taught to work with pen, paper, their heads and their hands. Solving and analyzing puzzles and problems on paper. Thinking up innovative methods. Building stuff. Get them a million Rubik's cubes, Chess sets, puzzle books and yes, even Lego Mindstorm kits.

      I have said this before and I'll still say this - by giving a computer at a very early age, you are curtailing their abilities to think all by themselves. Take something like graphics programming - the best ones that I know still do everything in their head and solve it on paper, before they sit and start coding. And in the process, they learn and discover new stuff. By giving them access to computers at this early age, you're not letting them do that! Its far too easy to sit down and use ready made tools.

      Like the parent said, get good teachers! Get them good books, teach them to build things, to take part in science fairs and apply what they learn. On a board or on paper dammit.

  12. Re:Free Gifts with US Tax Dollars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm glad that we can all agree that actually providing kids with computers they can use, regularly, to help them in their education is considered a cheap political ploy. Hopefully, next time money will be diverted to something more beneficial, such as the military.

  13. The article in full: by wiggys · · Score: 5, Informative

    For those of you who don't want to register:

    FREEPORT, Me., March 4 -- Attendance is up. Detentions are down. Just six months after Maine began a controversial program to provide laptop computers to every seventh grader in the state, educators are impressed by how quickly students and teachers have adapted to laptop technology.

    In a language arts class at Freeport Middle School, for example, muted howls could be heard recently as students researched projects related to Arctic stories, including "The Call of the Wild" by Jack London. Following Internet tracks created by their teacher, Janice Murphy, some students, inspired by the story, were researching wolves.

    "Look," said Doug Hoover, 13, double-clicking on a wolf site. "Here's a picture of the sound waves the wolf makes when it howls."

    Here and at the 239 middle schools around the state, students, teachers and parents say they are finding unexpected benefits.

    No one seems more surprised by the early success of the program than Angus King, the state's former governor. When he announced the plan in the summer of 2000, motivated by a $50 million budget surplus and a pressing need to attract new business to Maine, Mr. King was stunned by the vehemence of objections.

    The statewide effort, the first of its kind in the nation, "was more controversial than abortion, gay rights or even clear cutting," Mr. King said. "People hated it. They thought it was extravagant; they thought the kids wouldn't take care of the computers."

    An early opponent was Chellie Pingree, then the State Senate majority leader and soon to be the president of Common Cause, a government watchdog group based in Washington. "It was about the allocation of resources," Ms. Pingree said. "We were struggling with construction issues: schools needed to be built; there were leaky roofs and not enough books."

    Though she now sees the program as a success, others still say it is misguided.

    "The state was flush at the time the laptop program was inaugurated, when it should have been providing for the rainy day that we're living with today," said Sumner Lipton, a lawyer in Augusta and a former state legislator. "There's a certain degree of irony in giving all the seventh graders laptops in a day when we're talking about cutting state employees back to four-day work weeks."

    Before the program began, legislators trimmed its cost and scope. Envisioned as a $50 million effort that would let seventh graders take the computers with them through graduation, the plan was limited to seventh and eighth graders.

    Laptops will follow their users to eighth grade next year, while seventh graders will get new iBooks, for a total of 33,000. When students leave the eighth grade, they will turn them in.

    The cost of the four-year program is $37.5 million, which includes leasing the laptops, installing wireless ports throughout schools so students are always connected to the Internet and training teachers. It translates to about $300 per user a year, said Tony Sprague, project manager of the laptop program, the Maine Learning Technology Initiative.

    To bolster the program, Mr. King sought support from beyond the state government. The author Stephen King (who is not related to Angus King) toured the Freeport school and offered to teach an online writing course. The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation donated $1 million for more teacher training. The technology giant EDS pledged $400 million in software for Maine schools, the biggest gift the state has ever received.

    Educators say that problems have been minimal, with little breakage, theft or loss. The rewards, teachers say, have been impressive.

    "These laptops are changing the way learning happens and the way teaching happens," said Chris Toy, principal of Freeport Middle School. Such a transformation, Mr. Toy said, can happen only when each student has a computer. "We don't have a pencil lab or put eight pencils in the middle of the room and have kids take turns using them, Computers are tools, and when every child in every school has one, it levels the playing field."

    Though an estimated 90 percent of the homes in Freeport, near Portland, have computers, the laptops go home with the students at night. "We needed to make sure that level playing field is extended to the home," Mr. Toy said. "Now, no one's computer is better or faster."

    That sense of equality is felt keenly in the state's poor and remote schools. At the tiny elementary school in Pembroke, about 240 miles northeast of Portland in Washington County in the Down East region, children and teachers seem to be using the laptops as effectively as those in more affluent areas, the principal, Paula Smith, said. Washington County is the state's poorest, and Ms. Smith estimated that perhaps 35 percent of her students had a computer at home.

    As at other schools, she said, seventh graders seem more focused and less mischievous. Last year, Ms. Smith said she handed out about 30 detentions to Pembroke's seventh and eighth graders. This year, there have been two.

    Parents also welcome the program.

    "When the plan was announced, a lot of people thought the money should have been put into buildings," said Alison Bennie, the mother of a seventh grader in Topsham, next to Brunswick near Portland. "My husband and I both work at Bowdoin College, and we see the rate of students bringing their own computers to campus. It's virtually 100 percent. So the sooner kids learn the language, the more adept they will be at computers in high school and beyond."

    Ms. Bennie's point is critical. By some measures, Maine's public schools are considered quite good: the National Center for Education Statistics ranks Maine as having one of the highest high school graduation rates in the country. But when it comes to students going on to college, Maine ranks low in the region. And in term of Ph.D.s earned in the state, Maine ranks dead last among states and Puerto Rico, according to a recent report from the National Science Foundation.

    Improved college attendance five years from now would be a measure of the program's success, but for now, educators are collecting all the information they can and are awaiting year-end test scores. In other parts of the country, smaller programs have had a significant effect: In Henrico County, Va., where 24,000 students in grades 6 through 12, have laptops, test scores have risen and dropout rates have fallen.

    But many Maine educators worry less about how success will be measured than about what will happen when they tell ninth graders in 2004 to surrender their iBooks.

    "Because I see their skills building, the biggest concern is what will happen when they enter high school and lose their laptops," said Diane Parent, the principal of the middle school in Caribou, more than 300 miles northeast of Portland in remote Aroostock County.

    Teachers are crossing their fingers that schools will be able to secure funds to ensure that laptops stay with students through high school, as they do in Henrico County, Va.

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  14. Leaky Roofs, New Books, Etc.... by macthulhu · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Here's an idea... Keep the laptop program, as it seems to be improving the system, and start funneling money away from some of the sports programs for a change. Three years' worth of my junior high and high school experience was hobbled by austerity budgets. Art students were forced to buy all of their own materials, books had to be shared, busing was cut back, and the music program was forced to fund itself. In the meantime, the sports programs, who were not exactly cranking out championship teams, flourished. They got new equipment, more trainers, upgraded facilities, and even a new team bus. At some point, we need to get that spending ratio back in balance. Kids are there to learn. Though I think sports are important for a well rounded development, I think the emphasis on and rewards for them are too great. The current state of education marginalizes anyone who doesn't want to be "Like Mike". The laptop program in Maine is an excellent way to level the playing field and raise the bar at the same time, if I may mix my metaphors and sling a few puns... I will now climb down off of my stump and allow the flaming and trolling over the fact that they were Macs to begin... LLLLLLET'S GET READY TO RRRRRRUMBLLLLLLLE!

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  16. From a Mainer by barspin · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I'm a lifelong Mainer. These articles touting the success of the Maine laptop program are only slightly substantive than an Apple press release.

    The laptop program might be working in pockets in Maine, but it's akin to putting a new paint job on a delapitated vehicle that doesn't run. Maine's educational system is broken, and has been for quite some time; test scores are low, there isn't a standardized method of assesing performance of students throughout the state (don't tell me about the Maine Educational Assesment exams - they're fundamentally broken), and teacher pay and morale is low in almost all schools. Angus King, the previous governer, left the state holding the bag for the $37 mil proce tag, not to mention training for teachers, and a new curriculum to support the laptops. The state's education program is in dire need of funds for basics, such as books, buildings that aren't falling down around the students, competent teachers, etc. The news here in Maine for a while now has been how to get out of this laptop contract as cheap as possible. I'll give credit to Seymor Papert, and folks who would like to implement similar ideas, but until the most basic needs of students are met, laptops shouldn't be integrated into the curriculum.

    I've spoken with a few teachers who deal with the laptops on a daily basis, and it's clear to them that the support network for the hardware itself is severly lacking. The issue of what to actually *use* the systems for seems to have been overlooked.

    Bottom line: the money could have been better spent elsewhere. It's a valiant and forward-thinking idea, but not very pragmatic at the moment.

  17. Re:What are we teaching? by macthulhu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    While the chances of getting a job working on a Mac are slimmer than those of working with Windows, I have noticed something: My experience has been that people who learned on Macs tend to function well on both systems, while the people I know who started in Windows can only work efficiently in Windows. Market share is not the only guage of how useful something is. There was a point in history where the vast majority of humans thought the Earth was flat. Since both OSs have many of the same features, it shouldn't be hard to discuss them simultaneously. Since the GUI desktop metaphor hasn't really changed too much in 20 years, if you teach the metaphor, kids can be functional on any system.How does the saying go? Teach someone how to use taskbar shortcuts and you'll feed them for a day... Teach someone to navigate directories, and you'll feed them for a lifetime.

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  18. Re:Free Gifts with US Tax Dollars by matastas · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Pissed off because your family didn't have the money to buy a computer, bitter because your children (homeschooled) don't benefit from the program, and rambling about the state's right to taxation.

    Almost feels like a Monday.

    These aren't 'gifts.' The kids turn in the iBooks when the leave eighth grade. This is no different than buy computers for them to use in labs, aside from giving them a more personal stake and a sense of ownership. Any initiative which is actually *successful* in increasing children's enthusiasm for learning, increasing attendence, getting them to work...hell, that's worth at least a second glance. I question your character if you honestly begrudge children an opportunity to learn more effectively and with greater joy. You sound like you need a hug.

    Two other points. The states' rights to taxation is documented rather thoroughly. Should you not like the way your tax dollars are spent, vote for a different official, make your opinions heard in a public forum, or (worst case) leave your region.

    And secondly, before you sling his comments out of context, have you even *read* de Tocqueville? (Notice, for that reason, I don't quote him.) Just because he's trendy doesn't mean he's right.

  19. A whole generation by dusanv · · Score: 4, Funny

    will be turned into nerdy geeks. It is well known that geeks don't reproduce. Biological existence of Maine is in question. Are they nuts?

  20. Re:computers for students by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I dont' want my children using a computer until they are (at least) teenagers.


    so you want to raise very stupid children? this idea of yours is the stupidest I have ever heard.

    I started my daughter (now 11) on computers at 18 months of age. I wrote a simple mouse program so she could click on familiar objects and the computer would say with recorded speech what it was. she loved this, and eventually found my invisible spot that quit the program. so I started her on a kids paint program to understand selecting tools, and it continues to this day where she is better at using the computer than the CS teacher in the local high school. She was tought programming with logo (by me) then I started her on basic for advanced ideas. This year I am starting her on perl and perl::GTK to introduce using GUI's before dropping her into C later if she wants to continue it.

    My 11 year old has a better understanding about computers, operating systems and computing than 90% of the population. she has an advantage that will be with her forever, even when she becomes a Vetranarian (that's what she said she wants to be)

    So if you want to breed residents for the trailer parks and slums feel free to. I take my spare time to teach my child Computer Science, Physics, Astronomy, and even play her games with her (Go ahead and laugh, but I'll bet $20.00 that none of you laughing can keep up with her or me on Dance Dance Revolution Max!)

    My child is ahead of every other child in her district and is happy, she play's like a kid and has a kids life.... it's that daddy, instead of lying around like a lump on saturdays and sundays watching worthless things like football, basketball or car racing. He spends 3 hours with his child teaching, and 8-12 hours playing (you gotta keep up on the house and spouse/GF also)

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  21. Re:"attendance is up" by andhar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Hey, according to the article, part of the program is that the laptops go home with the kids. They can play at home (or sit outside Starbucks and surf) if they wanted to.

    Meaning, the laptop itself is not necessarily the reason more kids are coming to school.

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  22. As a Mainer who actually understands the project.. by rootrot · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm sorry, there are just some very *wrong* things being said about this program both by people who claim to be from the state and via those from "away." So to clarify a number of things that have been said elsewhere:

    1: The money for this program was privately generated and tagged specically for this program.

    2: No general fund tax dollars are involved in this project...that is, no money that would otherwise go to other educational goals was diverted fund this.

    3: Apple absolutely loss-lead this project...there is no doubt where the future is heading and a successful project here in Maine will pay off when NY or CA rolls out the same thing.

    4: There is money being spent on teacher training and on technology integration into daily education.

    5: This is an issue of equity of access and equity of opportunity. As Gov. King so eloquently explained, [paraphrasing] "My family was wealthy, when I was in school my father bought an Encyclopedia Brittanica for the house. Every other student in my class had to share the dog-eared one in the school library. Did this give me an advantage, absolutely. As of this moment, every single 7th grader in the State of Maine has their own World Book Encyclopedia because there is one on every single laptop." This program is about putting the single greatest educational TOOL since the printed book in the hands of those who need it most. It is about creating a structure within which those tools can be utilized to their highest and best use. It is about, frankly, the future of education.

    6: The argument that kids can not be responsible is bunk...they are the exact same arguments that were being made when the debates about whether kids should be allowed to bring their textbooks home in the '30-40's...they were wrong then and wrong now.

    I, for one, am very proud of this program. A decade from now, kids having laptops as part of their education will be a non-issue...like not allowing kids to bring books home, we will wonder what all the fuss was about. Will it go smoothly at every turn, no...is it the right path to go...absolutely. Maine's motto is Dirigo..."I Lead." Welcome to the future of education. /rr
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  23. rebuttal from another mainer... by rootrot · · Score: 5, Informative

    [I have posted this generally, but repeat it here as well:]
    I'm sorry, there are just some very *wrong* things being said about this program both by people who claim to be from the state and via those from "away." So to clarify a number of things that have been said elsewhere:

    1: The money for this program was privately generated and tagged specically for this program.

    2: No general fund tax dollars are involved in this project...that is, no money that would otherwise go to other educational goals was diverted fund this.

    3: Apple absolutely loss-lead this project...there is no doubt where the future is heading and a successful project here in Maine will pay off when NY or CA rolls out the same thing.

    4: There is money being spent on teacher training and on technology integration into daily education.

    5: This is an issue of equity of access and equity of opportunity. As Gov. King so eloquently explained, [paraphrasing] "My family was wealthy, when I was in school my father bought an Encyclopedia Brittanica for the house. Every other student in my class had to share the dog-eared one in the school library. Did this give me an advantage, absolutely. As of this moment, every single 7th grader in the State of Maine has their own World Book Encyclopedia because there is one on every single laptop." This program is about putting the single greatest educational TOOL since the printed book in the hands of those who need it most. It is about creating a structure within which those tools can be utilized to their highest and best use. It is about, frankly, the future of education.

    6: The argument that kids can not be responsible is bunk...they are the exact same arguments that were being made when the debates about whether kids should be allowed to bring their textbooks home in the '30-40's...they were wrong then and wrong now.

    I, for one, am very proud of this program. A decade from now, kids having laptops as part of their education will be a non-issue...like not allowing kids to bring books home, we will wonder what all the fuss was about. Will it go smoothly at every turn, no...is it the right path to go...absolutely. Maine's motto is Dirigo..."I Lead." Welcome to the future of education. /rr
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  24. Re:As a Maine Resident... by daoine_sidhe · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm amazed that this got moderated up. First, can you point out any schools specifically that are falling down? Because I haven't seen any, and my company was the one that installed every single wireless network in the state. That covered every middle school. Second, training; they actually instituted a comprehensive training program for all of the teachers, which you would have discovered had you really "looked into it quite a bit." Third, why would we back out of the program in within five years? Apple bent themselves over a table for the pricing on this, and it was quite a gamble on their part. We asked them, they did it for us, and then some people in the state legislature asked about the possibility of backing out of a signed contract. After it had been approved and passed. And finally, laptops going home; each school is allowed to set their own policy on that. It is entirely up to the school administration, so rant at them. I do have one further question for you; was your spelling a clever political ploy to try to demonstrate to /. readers the state of education in Maine? Or was it legitimate?

  25. Immersion by Queuetue · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I live in Maine, on the coast - there's nothing inland.

    The idea isn't to teach them about computers, but to immerse them in progress. To the average Mainer technology is a complete mystery. A favorite passtime is laughing at New Yorkers and thier cell phones -- when they're not getting drunk and lamenting about the employment problem.

    Many people are living below the poverty level trying to eke a living out of industries that were essentially destroyed by unsophisticated people coping with a progressive world.

    The laptop initiative has many detractors - most ask the question "How will we pay for it." The bigger issue is: If Maine doesn't get progressive pretty damned fast, how long will it be before we're the first state to declare bankruptcy? How much will this 3o-something million save in welfare money over the lifetimes of these kids?

    This laptop "boondoggle" by the great Governor King a shotgun approach intended to provide a long-term "modernity" shot in the arm at the expense of short-term comfort and stability.

    People will probably starve in Maine before this recession is over. Hopefully the next generation will take that hardship they grew up with, combined with a love of technology, and go further than this "lobster and tourist economy" could ever take them. Immersion is the key, and this crazy plan was the only step that a lame duck governor could mak ehappen. So he did it, and stuck the next bunch with the check.

  26. 20 pounds!!! by MacAndrew · · Score: 4, Informative

    You should feel lucky! 20 lbs! Why in my day...

    No seriouslt, NYT recently had something about how certain grade schools are now evaluating textbook candidates for weight. It seems that as books have gotten fatter to cram in pointless pictures and factoids many are clearing the 1,000-page mark and students are literally suffering back injuries toting them from class to class, and home and back.

    Now, like you I thought this is silly, why aren't these dumb kids planning a head a litte, just carrying the books they need and knocking off the "heavy" subjects in study hall. Well, a separate development is that these schools have eliminated student lockers, to reduce problems of drugs, weapons, and forgotten lunch meat. These were relatively affluent school districts, too (heck, they can afford new textbooks).

    So ... maybe laptops can help with this rather pressing issue of weight. They sure would've made me nervous to leave my backpack unattended, though. Maybe the computers should come with leashes, or ignition keys. Nad maybe they should bring back school lockers, perhaps in plexiglas.

    You know, when I was a kid they didn't even give us pencils.

  27. Re:What are we teaching? by saddino · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What the chances going out in the work force and working with a mac? very slim, it's stupid.

    Maybe it's stupid for someone who only has enough room in their brain to use one OS (that's not what you're saying, right?), but guess what? Most kids I know can figure out how to get around any OS in no time. A window is a window, a menu is a menu, a X is an X (where X is radio button, check box, push button, etc.).

    Do you really think that using software like Word/IE/Photoshop/etc. on a Mac is that different from using it on a PC? C'mon!