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KDE & Gnome Usability Engineers Interviewed

Posted by Hemos on from the talking-with-the-men-with-the-plan dept.

Gentu writes "After the recent flamewar between the KDE and Gnome user camps, OSNews brings together the most influencial KDE and Gnome usability engineers to talk about how they will be able to overcome a number of obstacles in order to 'unify' KDE and Gnome in ways that could bring to the Unix desktop an easy to use, integrated and fully interoperated DE to better compete with the commercial alternatives. Waldo from SuSE and Havoc from Red Hat are taking part to the interview, and also Aaron, the head of KDE's usability."

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  1. Re:Sigh.. by myLobster · · Score: 3, Informative


    The article does not even suggest a flamewar - quite the opposite really.

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  2. Interoperability is king by nitehorse · · Score: 5, Informative

    There's a relatively large thread going on in the kde-core-devel mailinglist about such interoperability efforts that you guys might be interested in, too... check out this thread for the whole story.

    The short version is - arts, the KDE sound daemon, uses glib code internally, but the maintainer wanted to move the glib code to rely on an externally-installed glib (instead of maintaining a copy of glib in the arts distribution). Lots of developer confusion over this has ensued, but a lot of interesting discussion has also resulted. Check it out.

    1. Re:Interoperability is king by IamTheRealMike · · Score: 4, Informative
      There's a similar thread on the GNOME desktop-devel-list, basically a debate about DBUS vs CORBA turned into some KDE users (developers? maybe) having a go at GObject yet again.

      The main sticking point seems to be GObject, but I've yet to find a KDEer elucidate what is so bad about it, especially considering it was designed with language bindings in mind.

    2. Re:Interoperability is king by nitehorse · · Score: 5, Informative
      I think that a lot of the problem with GObject is (in most KDE developers' minds) is that we feel it's a hack for C to help make OO programming available, where OO is much more readily available in other languages.

      The OO paradigm wasn't around when C was designed, and C certainly is an awkward language to use OO in.

      It's the difference between saying:
      QPushButton *button = new QPushButton("Hello, world!");
      and:
      GtkButton *button = gtk_button_new_with_label("Hello, World!");
      In one case, you have clearly defined language-level constructs and rules about what happens when you use said constructs; using the 'new' keyword on any object means that the language will automatically call the constructor for the object in question.

      So instead of having to write a x_button_new_with_specific_property function, you define a class with the properties, and the proper constructors (because C++ has rules about how constructors get called, instead of forcing the programmer to remember a name mapping for every _new function with every possible permutation of the _with_property names at the end).

      I support GObject personally insofar as it is used for the language bindings, because programming GTK in ruby or python should be easy and fun and take full advantage of the OO properties of those languages; but for use in C? Thanks, but no thanks.
  3. Re:Sigh.. by larien · · Score: 4, Informative

    I think the point is that it's a "user" flamewar rather than a "developer" flamewar. You're right in that Gnome/KDE get on fairly well (well, they do now; I think there was some antagonism early on), but users get very angry in the same way we have perl/python/ruby wars, emacs/vi, debian/redhat/suse/mandrake/slackware/whatever wars....

  4. Re:Usability and Fonts by samhalliday · · Score: 3, Informative
    what are you talking about flame-bait?

    nobody thinks Xfree86 (its not just gnu/linux you know!) is archane becuase it uses anti-aliased fonts... if anything, people would think it arcane if it did NOT support anti-aliasing.

    granted this support has come a lot after windows has supported it, and some GUI libraries still need to catch up (nto an issue for gtk+2 or qt3) but for older machines, bitmapped fonts look much prettier than rendered ttf's.

    just what is your point?

    the main reason people walk by gnu/linux is that they dont know what it is, or if they do, they have so many windows apps they would rather not lose them ... or they see it as a geek's OS requiring geeks command line skills (true geeks use FreeBSD by the way). I have never in my life heard of anyone walk by a Linux system and immediately think it's arcane becuase it uses anti-aliased fonts.