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Germany Mulls A Copyright Levy + VAT For PCs

Willard B. Trophy writes "How does a US$13 plus an extra 16% tax on computers sound? That's what intense lobbying by publishing industry groups has forced the German government to consider. UPI has the story."

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  1. Hate to tell them this... by dirkdidit · · Score: 5, Interesting

    But computers do have legitimate uses other than music/movie/software piracy. Some people do actually buy legit software to run on their computers and do legit things on them such as writing letters, email, browsing the net.

    I personally think that law is crap but thankfully I don't live in Germany.

  2. yes, this is practical by trmj · · Score: 5, Interesting

    From the article:

    "Blank magnetic media, especially recordable CDs"

    Yes, because CDs are magnetic...

    But on a more serious note, they are calling everybody who buys a computer a theif. No questioning use. No checking if the computer will even be connected to the internet.

    Everybody. Every man, woman and child. Every office assistant, every student.

    Let's pretend that the computers sold are $700. That's not including the monitor (which is used to see what pirated files you want to download), printer (which is used to print labels for your pirated CDs), or any other peripherals (such as your speakers, used to play the latest pirated Rammestien singles). They get $13 right off the bat. Now, let's add another $112 for the 16%. That means that on a $700 computer, you have to pay an additional $130, not including peripherals / other sales taxes.

    I work at a retail store. We sell about 6 computers per week. Multiply that by the amount of stores in Germany, and that number by $130.

    And the recording industry needs how much more money to pay for the pirated CD sales losses?

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    1. Re:yes, this is practical by doktor-hladnjak · · Score: 5, Informative
      Perhaps I'm confused, but speaking as someone living in Germany, it seems to me that we already pay the 16% VAT (MwSt) on computers.

      Maybe they're talking about taxing the levy of $13? As bizarre as this sounds, this seriously wouldn't surprise me.

  3. Guilty? by sPaKr · · Score: 5, Funny

    Im so glad I live in a country where Im innocent until proven guilt by a court of my peers.

    errr... Im sorry Mr Ashcroft, your right.. I was having evil thoughts, Im guilty of thought crime. Yes we are at war with the people from the east.

  4. Per computer? by Ioldanach · · Score: 5, Interesting

    So, what makes the item a computer? If someone goes into a different store to buy each part and assembles a computer, which store do they get charged the extra $13 at? The one they bought the cpu at? Well, that could be an upgrade. So could a new motherboard. In fact, the only thing I think they could use their tenuous logic to justify would be a hard drive. In that case, what if I build a computer with two drives?

    Aside from the logic problem of defining what part should be taxed as the computer, this ignores, for example, servers. Do people installing servers at an ISP get to ask for their $13 back for every box they build to serve, say, the billing system or internal database? Who tracks that?

    Finally, I find the article's mention of precedent interesting. The article mentions that none of the money collected to date in Canada has yet to get to the members its supposed to go to.

    While the article has a decided tilt and is certainly not unbiased reporting, I find the collective sum to be appalling, and hope the measure gets a sound thrashing, along with whoever proposed it.

  5. Re:Yes, however. by CashCarSTAR · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That is a common load of bullshit.

    Why?

    Because business is not about a break-even point.

    It is about making profit. Lots and lots of profit. That theory stands if companies are looking to reach a break-even point. If they are selling at cost, they need to add on the part that is lost to break even.

    I am not saying that stealing is somehow moral. However, the idea that it has any effect on prices is simply hogwash. Businesses charge what the public is willing to pay, not what they have to.

  6. That is no 'extra' 16% tax for copyright by Lars+T. · · Score: 5, Informative
    That is the 'normal' 16% Mehrwertsteuer (VAT) we Germans have to pay on everything (less for some stuff like food). It has nothing to do with the 12 Euro "copyright levy"

    BTW, the VG Wort (and the VG Bild-Kunst (image-art)) claim that this strengthens the right to make a private copy. The hardware-makers protesting this (like HP) would rather use DRM and TCPA. (Article in German

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