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O-STEP In The Limelight

Tony Stanco, whose new eGovOS conference is starting today, has also been pushing O-STEP (Open Source Threshold Escrow Program). It's an interesting looking program for escrowing code, pending money being raised towards it - you can get more details in PPT,OpenOffice, and HTML.

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  1. Money through open source? by MoeMoe · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It's interesting to think, something that is developed with the idea of keeping things free can generate and manage monetary and money related issues. How many times have we seen programs like Turbo Tax and Lotus which are used for business be passed up for something cheaper and better yet open source? I give this on my thumbs up.

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  2. Legitimizing Open Source by Blaine+Hilton · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This may help to further mainstream open source efforts. Everyone wants to get paid for their work and this looks like the next logical step in the process. Hopefully the concept is well executed though unlike some other recent ventures.

    1. Re:Legitimizing Open Source by warpSpeed · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Everyone wants to get paid for their work and this looks like the next logical step in the process.

      Everyone? I think that is a little broad, not _everyone_ is interested in getting paid for work. There are plenty of volunteers out there. I would agree that many, or the majority of people want to get paid for thier work, but there is a significant number of developers that just like the warm fuzzy of putting out a good product that the public can make use of.

  3. o-step Rebirth by gurnb · · Score: 3, Interesting

    O-STEP will re-invigorate the software industry and result in more competition by re-balancing the rights between users and producers in a way more appropriate with the incentives framework of the U.S. Constitution, The current intellectual property regime creates vendor lock-ins for critical infrastructure software.

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  4. Software won't be as good under this scheme by Hellkitten · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This way of doing things will lose one of the benefits of going GPL from day one. Since the code will be closed source for a period you can't build on top of already open software (unless lgpl), this means having to reinvent the wheel, which means higher cost.

    On the other hand if the software is open source from day one customers will be less inclined to pay, profit suffers and the software won't be made.

    Would you like some egg with your chicken?

    So suppose we make a more company friendly GPL? (FSF probably won't like it so a lot will have to be created from scratch, but less that for the proposed scheme), Requiering that source be disclosed after a profit threshold is reached won't work since a company could cheat by setting the threshold redicoulously high. What might work is some kind of time-delayed GPL e.g "If you modify this source and make binaries the source must be provided no later that three months later". That way the a free softwrae author can be sure that nothing based on his code will stay closed forever, and companies could benefit from already developed code. Still it would probably depend a lot on the free software community and their willingness to change their lisences, and you can bet you'll see different time limits depending on what the authour of a piece of code thinks is acceptable. But if something like this is implemented I believe both business and the community could benefit. (except for evil monopolies ;) )

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  5. Abandonware argument by Dareth · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This sounds so much like the argument that once a software company has made enough money on a version of software that they should/could give it away or open source it so that people who would have never bought it can benefit from it.

    The part that gets me is that there has to be a "trusted entity" that ensures that the release occurs once this mysterious threshold is reached.

    I think there is a great parallel here in the pharmaceutical industry. After all, we all know that drug companies don't fight for extended patent rights to drugs that improve peoples lives. They are always real nice about making their "threshold" amount then releasing their drug(s) to generic and whole-saler manufacturers so that the majority of the people can benefit.

    It is not ALWAYS about money.

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  6. A similar idea to the Digital Art Auction by crosbie · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This is a similar idea, but at least allows the market to help arrive at an agreeable valuation: The Digital Art Auction

  7. Great approach... by bhsx · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've been shaking my head trying to figure-out how to accomplish something like this. O-STEP is a taking a well thought-out approach that just MIGHT work. The real problem is getting lobbying money from vendors like IBM to start pushing programs like this. We need an Open Source Lobbying Group (OSLG?). A group dedicated to raising money and pushing legitimate legislation toward balancing the playing field for companies providing Open Source products. In my eyes some of the possible legislation would include tax-exempt status for companies or portions of companies, or some of the non-profit's umbrella of protection. Grant programs are another necessary step, in my opinion. Governments needs to start paying some development costs for software its people or even companies need, and stop lining the pockets of a particular abusive monopoly power in the industry.
    So, in short O-STEP is a GOOD-STEP; but more needs to be done in this arena.

    On a side note: Did anyone else hear that Disney World is enjoying farmer's tax-exempt status because they have a few cows on the property?

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  8. Blender by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    This is basically what blender did and it worked great. The money was raised much faster than anyone expected the code was released and the first GPL version of blender3d just came out.

    I think it would be great if more closed source software was made available in this way.

  9. won't work, and it's unnecessary by g4dget · · Score: 4, Interesting
    People don't release code open source as some kind of embarrassing step-daughter of commercial business models. They release open source either because they need market share for some related idea/product/service, or they simply want community contributions. And why do other people start using and contributing to open source projects? Because of its longevity: it doesn't matter what Linus or Stallman or whoever does, I can be certain that the Linux kernel and the GNU C compiler will be around, and if there are enough people in the same boat as me, I can be pretty certain that they will be maintained. That's the real advantage of open source.

    Escrow models break this: I have no guarantee that the source will be released, and I personally won't be able to pay to get it in its entirety. From my point of view as a user and potential contributor, escrowed code is as uncertain as commercial code.

    There are enough people who have an incentive to release code open source to keep us all happy. And against open source competition, even escrowed code doesn't stand much of a chance.

  10. leggovos my eggovos! by Billy+Donahue · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What the hell kind of name is that? It's got to be one of the worst acronyms ever. Some sort of tortured compound acronym, I guess. Maybe it's a sort of pig-latin derivative that Tony and his siblings developed, and we just aren't in on the inside joke. "Leggovos my eGOvos!"

    I can't figure out what it's supposed to accomplish. If it's a FS/OS advocacy platform and showcase, then why is Microsoft there at all? Tony Stanco and Bruce Perens both seem to be of the opinion that Microsoft will somehow embarrass themselves by showing up and speaking amid all of the real free software companies and developers. This is NOT going to happen. Microsoft is going to do their typical Hollywood pyrotechnics and when everyone's hypnotized they'll start talking about how great .NET works on FreeBSD, or how great Services for Unix(tm) is, or some other embrace-and-extend nonsense. "Pragmatists" who don't know any better are goind to fall for it like they always do, and jobs doing free software integration will be lost thanks to Microsoft's presence at the conference.

    O-STEP is another winning acronym for a program of source code escrow? Sounds like one of the most artificial and forced cases of free software backpedalling. Who would actually use this program? Why bother? Either you release it or you don't. When you put a "time-bomb" on open-sourcing software, you're treating open code as something to be avoided. Open code seems most useful in the early stages of product. "Release Early, Release Often", right? right? How useful was Netscape's release? Not as useful as it would have been if project was open from the beginning. Dealing with WordPerfect source code at this point will be similarly bewildering. It's just a stupid idea.

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