You know what's also interesting? Coherent sentences. The X-Serve Cluster Node is a dual process system with a price that's $1000 under its non-cluster targetted counterpart. It also has some other missing features deemed not neccessary for clustering purposes.
-- If you disagree then it must be overrated, redundant or trolling.
Re:It was cool...
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BMonger
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· Score: 4, Informative
Um, they weren't the *same computer* they sold 5 years ago I'm afraid. I count
20 revisions made to that machine in 5 years. That gives each system a shelf life of about three months!
The originals had some nasty display problems
by
t0qer
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· Score: 5, Informative
Being a PC tech, I never really get to play with macs too much. I have had 3 with shot monitors come across my desk though.
My buddy bought some Imac with firewire for $150 bucks. AV version I think it was called. Anyways he brought it over, I patched his OS9 to its latest patches. He had it for about 2 weeks until the monitor gave out.
So of course, he brings it back to me. Having never ripped one of these things open I was excited at the prospect of tinkering around with some new hardware. Before I grabbed a screwdriver I called apple.
tech: No matter what the problem is, hold the special programmers button on the side, it erases the nvram which will make your monitor work because it has a bad analog board.
After several attempts at this and failing he gave me something else to try.
tech: press the apple key + q r a t during bootup, again this will fix your problem.
Well, again that lead nowhere.
So with the help of my fine freind google, I found a PDF service manual and some more docs. I converted the imac into a pile of electronic parts, pressed some magic button inside and still, black screen:(
Eventually I read that the analog boards on these things go out quite frequently, the replacement cost of the board went way above the $150 my friend had originally paid for it. I talked him into getting an external monitor (works now) and things were happy again.
Re:5 year lifespan for hardware?
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tim1724
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· Score: 4, Informative
As others have pointed out, Apple didn't sell the same machine for 5 years. Here's a useful chart showing the different versions of the G3/CRT iMac. (I think there may have been some slight variations for the educational market, in terms of memory and drives)
Things which remained the same across revisions:
Shape and size (height and weight changed slightly, I think this was due to CRT changes)
15" CRT (actually, I think different CRTs were used, but all were 15")
USB
CPU type (various revisions of the G3 processor family)
Lack of floppy drive
10/100 Mbps Ethernet
56 kbps modem
Things which changed between releases:
Price (no, it didn't start out as a sub-$1000 machine!)
color (Bondi blue, fruit flavors [strawberry, orange, lime, blueberry, grape], indigo, ruby, graphite, blue dalmation, flower power, snow)
speed (started at 233Mhz, finished at 700Mhz)
memory (32MB... 256MB)
hard disk (4GB... 60GB)
mouse (they eventually dropped that evil hockey puck but it took them too long to do that...)
keyboard (changed when the mouse changed, I think)
video card (Various flavors of ATI Rage cards, from Rage IIc to RAGE Ultra 128)
IR port.. quietly dropped in Revision C (when the fruit flavors were added)
internal expansion.. the never-supported "Mezannine" slot was dropped in Revision c)
Firewire.. introduced to some machines in 1999, but wasn't included with all machines until 2001
Airport (802.11b).. slowly added to product line, same as Firewire
Fan.. Rev. A and Rev. B had fans, the fanless iMac began with Rev. C
optical drive.. CD-ROM, DVD-ROM, CD-RW of varoius speeds (I don't think the Combo drive (DVD-ROM/CD-RW) or SuperDrive (DVD-RW/CD-RW) were ever available)
A number of very different machines, but all basically looked the same (ignoring color) and were sold under the same name.
Apple also released today an Xserve Cluster Node that has no graphics card and starts at $1000 than the high-end Xserve.
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I've never bought from them myself but they seem well talked of on Mac sites.
Um, they weren't the *same computer* they sold 5 years ago I'm afraid. I count 20 revisions made to that machine in 5 years. That gives each system a shelf life of about three months!
Being a PC tech, I never really get to play with macs too much. I have had 3 with shot monitors come across my desk though.
:(
My buddy bought some Imac with firewire for $150 bucks. AV version I think it was called. Anyways he brought it over, I patched his OS9 to its latest patches. He had it for about 2 weeks until the monitor gave out.
So of course, he brings it back to me. Having never ripped one of these things open I was excited at the prospect of tinkering around with some new hardware. Before I grabbed a screwdriver I called apple.
tech: No matter what the problem is, hold the special programmers button on the side, it erases the nvram which will make your monitor work because it has a bad analog board.
After several attempts at this and failing he gave me something else to try.
tech: press the apple key + q r a t during bootup, again this will fix your problem.
Well, again that lead nowhere.
So with the help of my fine freind google, I found a PDF service manual and some more docs. I converted the imac into a pile of electronic parts, pressed some magic button inside and still, black screen
Eventually I read that the analog boards on these things go out quite frequently, the replacement cost of the board went way above the $150 my friend had originally paid for it. I talked him into getting an external monitor (works now) and things were happy again.
As others have pointed out, Apple didn't sell the same machine for 5 years. Here's a useful chart showing the different versions of the G3/CRT iMac. (I think there may have been some slight variations for the educational market, in terms of memory and drives)
Things which remained the same across revisions:
- Shape and size (height and weight changed slightly, I think this was due to CRT changes)
- 15" CRT (actually, I think different CRTs were used, but all were 15")
- USB
- CPU type (various revisions of the G3 processor family)
- Lack of floppy drive
- 10/100 Mbps Ethernet
- 56 kbps modem
Things which changed between releases:- Price (no, it didn't start out as a sub-$1000 machine!)
- color (Bondi blue, fruit flavors [strawberry, orange, lime, blueberry, grape], indigo, ruby, graphite, blue dalmation, flower power, snow)
- speed (started at 233Mhz, finished at 700Mhz)
- memory (32MB
... 256MB)
- hard disk (4GB
... 60GB)
- mouse (they eventually dropped that evil hockey puck but it took them too long to do that...)
- keyboard (changed when the mouse changed, I think)
- video card (Various flavors of ATI Rage cards, from Rage IIc to RAGE Ultra 128)
- IR port
.. quietly dropped in Revision C (when the fruit flavors were added)
- internal expansion
.. the never-supported "Mezannine" slot was dropped in Revision c)
- Firewire
.. introduced to some machines in 1999, but wasn't included with all machines until 2001
- Airport (802.11b)
.. slowly added to product line, same as Firewire
- Fan
.. Rev. A and Rev. B had fans, the fanless iMac began with Rev. C
- optical drive
.. CD-ROM, DVD-ROM, CD-RW of varoius speeds (I don't think the Combo drive (DVD-ROM/CD-RW) or SuperDrive (DVD-RW/CD-RW) were ever available)
A number of very different machines, but all basically looked the same (ignoring color) and were sold under the same name.-- Tim Buchheim