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Strike on Iraq

According to CNN and various other news sources, Iraq is now under attack by the US. Here is a link to the current story running at CNN right now, but there's really not much except that it has started. CT Cruise missiles launched against "Target of Opportunity". The full assault has not begun. CT The attack was specifically intended to take out Saddam. CT Saddam appeared on iraqi TV to condemn the US, and Iraqi missiles have been fired at Kuwait.

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  1. Inside Sites/Blogs by Davak · · Score: 5, Informative

    Other than typical news sites...

    -- Debka (Middle East News)
    -- Official Iraqi News
    -- Where is Read? - Iraqi Blog
    -- Kuwait Blog
    -- Back to Iraq Blog
    -- Iraq today
    -- Warblogs.cc
    -- Kevin Sites
    -- Sky.com
    -- BCC News Live Feed
    -- Agonist

    CBSnews also has a beautiful high detail webcam without all the crap on the bottom of the screen.
    God bless our soldiers.

    Davak

    1. Re:Inside Sites/Blogs by aallan · · Score: 5, Informative

      As well as the BBC WorldService, BBC News 24 is broacasting a video feed live.

      Al.
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      The Daily ACK - Eclectic posts by yet another hacker
  2. Lyrics by Rayonic · · Score: 5, Informative

    Black Sabbath's War Pigs
    ------------------------

    Generals gathered in their masses,
    just like witches at black masses.
    Evil minds that plot destruction,
    sorcerers of death's construction.
    In the fields the bodies burning,
    as the war machine keeps turning.
    Death and hatred to mankind,
    poisoning their brainwashed minds.
    Oh lord, yeah!

    Politicians hide themselves away.
    They only started the war.
    Why should they go out to fight?
    They leave that role to the poor, yeah.

    Time will tell on their power minds,
    making war just for fun.
    Treating people just like pawns in chess,
    wait till their judgement day comes, yeah.

    Now in darkness world stops turning,
    ashes where the bodies burning.
    No more War Pigs have the power,
    Hand of God has struck the hour.
    Day of judgement, God is calling,
    on their knees the war pigs crawling.
    Begging mercies for their sins,
    Satan, laughing, spreads his wings.
    Oh lord, yeah!

  3. Re:the draft by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 4, Informative

    The military neither wants nor needs a draft. The volunteer force is more than capable enough to handle any potential adversary.

    "The United States is not going to implement a military draft, because there is no need for it, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said Jan. 7."

    hand waving by Charlie Rangle notwithstanding

  4. Re:Not a troll: How many civilians died last time? by dogfart · · Score: 5, Informative
    There was a demographer, Beth Osborne Daponte , for the US government that estimated the following:
    13,000 civilians were killed directly by American and allied forces, and about 70,000 civilians died subsequently from war-related damage to medical facilities and supplies, the electric power grid, and the water system, she calculated. In all, 40,000 Iraqi soldiers were killed in the conflict, she concluded, putting total Iraqi losses from the war and its aftermath at 158,000, including 86,194 men, 39,612 women, and 32,195 children.

    She was fired by the Bush administration shortly thereafter.

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  5. Re:Not a troll: How many civilians died last time? by TrevorB · · Score: 5, Informative

    Seen this quoted in a few places... Best to search around for other numbers. I can't find any US numbers, just Iraqi and 3rd party (i.e. UN) numbers.

    Here's a link:

    http://www.futurenet.org/iraq/morecostofwar.htm

    And here's relevant text:

    Approximately 3,500 civilians were killed during the U.S.-led air strike campaign in August 1990, and more than 9000 homes were destroyed. The civilian death toll rose to 110,000 after the bombing stopped, and of those 70,000 were children under the age of 15. Civilians in Iraq continue to suffer as a result of "Operation Desert Storm," despite the cessation of military attacks in 1991. Incidents with landmines and unexploded ordinance have added thousands of victims to the total. According to Unicef, the U.S.-led economic sanctions imposed on Iraq, in effect for more than a decade, have claimed over one million lives, the majority of whom are children and the elderly. In the wider "War on Terror" more civilians have now died in Afghanistan than did in the World Trade Tower and Pentagon attacks combined according to Professor Marc W. Herold at the Whittemore School of Business & Economics, in Durham, New Hampshire.

  6. Re:Not a troll: How many civilians died last time? by mchappee · · Score: 4, Informative

    >Most anti-war people I hear talk about all the
    >civilian casualties resulting from this war, but
    >I'm somehow not sure I should take their word for
    >it. Does anyone here know the read civilian death
    >toll from the last Iraqi war?

    I don't know the answer to your question, and for that I apologize, but I will offer this: In 1988 President Saddam Hussein ordered the destruction of the Iraqi city of the Halabja. Chemical weapons were used to contaminate the city. It was over in 2 hours. 5000 civilians were killed in that attack.

    The bleeding hearts on this blog are making me ill. Hussein did in 2 hours what the US/coalition avoided in an entire war. And this was just one chemical attack. If the war lasted an entire year it is unlikely that as many civilians would be killed as those ordered to death by Hussein. I don't care what reasons Bush has for killing Hussein, but I have my own and so I wish the American president well.

    Go here:
    http://www.fas.org/news/iraq/2000/09/iraq-0 00918.h tm

    Read it. All of it.

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  7. Thankfully, we ARE! by evilWurst · · Score: 5, Informative

    Our disarmament continues to this day. US biological programs were halted in, I believe, the early 70s, and all materials destroyed. Chemicals we don't have, as per the various laws of war banning them.

    Nuclear stockpiles continue to be reduced. The Treaty of Moscow, signed by Bush and Putin last summer and ratified by Congress this month, promises that another 2/3 of each nuclear stockpile be dismantled - the logical conclusion of decades of nuclear cuts.

    As long as hostile nations continue to possess (or seek) nuclear arms, the rest will have several hundred as a deterrant... but we've all come a LONG way. NATO, Russia, China... none are inclined to ever use a nuke ever again. I expect to live to see the day it's down to 200 warheads or less, here...maybe I'll be very very old, but I expect it in my lifetime.

  8. Re:First war post! by ehiris · · Score: 4, Informative

    What have we become in 200 short years?

    We finally get to see a few good battles without the risk of being there.

    People have been trying to watch people getting killed in battles since the Civil War when some people carried picnic lunches and alcohol to watch the Union fight the Rebels at the Battle of Bull Run (Sharpsburg).

  9. Re:WRONG! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Hey, you left a few out and you included some pretty spurious examples.

    But if you want to play it that way, let's have the full, accurate list shall we? And let's just see where these countries are today...

    France 1942-45 Republic
    Germany 1942-45 Federal republic
    Belgium 1942-45 Parliamentary democracy
    Netherlands - 1944-45 Free
    Italy 1943-45 Republic
    Japan 1942-45 constitutional monarchy with a parliamentary government
    China 1945-46 Free from Japanese, conquered by communist dicatorship.
    Korea 1950-53 Republic, see South Korea
    China 1950-53 Communist tyranny
    Guatemala 1954 Constitutional republic
    Indonesia 1958 Republic
    Cuba 1959-60 NO BOMBS community tyrants take over
    Guatemala 1960 Constitutional republic
    Congo 1964 Thank the Belgians
    Peru 1965 Constitutional republic
    Laos 1964-73 Communist tyrany
    Vietnam 1961-73 Communist tyranny, and how about them French?
    Cambodge 1969-70 Multi-party democracy
    Guatemala 1967-69 Constitutional republic
    Grenade 1983 Constitutional monarchy with Westminster-style parliament
    Lybia 1986 - Dictatorship
    El Salvador 1980s - Republic
    Nicaragua 1980s -Republic
    Panama 1989 - Republic
    Iraq 1991-99 - Give us time
    Sudan 1998 - Authoritarian regime
    Afghanistan 1997-2002 - Republic

    It's a pretty great list. In fact, it looks like getting bombed by the U.S. is a great way to end up with a free country.