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Video Capturing Guide at Ars Technica
Deffexor writes "For those of you who read Ars Technica, but do not visit our forum, we have an active Audio/Visual Club where we talk shop about everything ranging from TVs to Stereos to Speakers to Videocards and everything in between. Lately, there has been a lot of interest in capturing broadcast television and converting old VHS home movies to a more timeless digital format, such as VCD, SVCD, and DVD. As more and more people become interested, it becomes increasingly difficult to educate everyone on how to do this properly. Tapping the collective consciousness of the Ars A/V forum, we bring you the 1st part of the Ars Technica Guide to Video Capturing, Cleaning, and Compression."
1. Capture source (& clean on the fly with the new Video Soap in the MMC 8.1 software). .vcr file to mpeg2 (ATI likes capturing in it's own format better). :)
2. Export
3. Run mpg file through FlaskMPEG to convert to DivX video with MP3 audio.
4. Cut commercials in VirtualDub and save using Direct Stream Copy (on Audio & Video settings)
5. Enjoy your capped copy of the (hopefully not) last episode of Farscape
Sometimes I doubt your commitment to Sparkle Motion.
Timeless? Hardly. If the media lasts 50 years, the technology certainly won't. The answer: convert all your old home videos to microfilm. It' s the way of the future.
It's supposed to be completely automatic, but actually you have to press this button.
If you want control and easy scripting, get Linux and capture with something like "dvgrab" and compress it with "ffmpeg" or "transcode" (search on Google, they pop right up). You can view with "xine" or "mplayer", and there are a bunch of editing solutions for Linux as well (although probably not as good as the commercial stuff).
If you want a no-frills, no-thoughts solutions, just get a Mac and use iMovie. It lets you capture, do some edits, then compress and burn to disk. Very easy to use (but nowhere near as flexible as the Linux solution).
I've been working on doing this very same thing - transferring some 8" & 12" laserdiscs that will never be released on a modern format (80's music videos, mostly).
One thing I've saw is that the article specifies a 40gb hard drive as a minimum. That's laughably small. I have twin 80gb drives spanned via RAID, and I filled them up with most of one side of a movie (about 50 minutes of video). Not only do I need more room for the 2nd side of the movie, I also need room for producing the final DVD MPEG files before burning them. Next paycheck I'm buying a couple of 200gb drives to replace them with, and I'm concerned that even they might not be large enough.
It also doesn't hurt to have the fastest CPU available. I'm on a Athlon XP 1800, and mastering/producing takes longer than the source material is (15min of material takes ~20min to produce). Don't think dual CPUs will help, as the production process is pretty much single-threaded.
Chip H.
If you add firewire and use an external capture device (like a DV camera or DV bridge) you can do quite a bit with an older processor. However, any video editing you attempt will be slow and painful. If I use my XP 2000+ to edit things go fast enough to not make it bothersome, but rendering can still take awhile. I've also used my wife's dual G4 and while it isn't any faster, the OS and software is so much better to work with, you wouldn't believe it.
Personally, I'd prefer Linux to finish polishing the end user experience for Office and Desktop Publishing software (because that's what I use most) before getting into the video editing relm.
1. Capture in as lossless and high resolution a format as you can. It's much easier to discard information than to make more in upscaling.
2. Halving the resolution means you can reduce the picture size by 4 times. But this does not mean you can quarter the bandwidth. Smaller pictures contain more detail per macroblock of 8x8 or 16x16.
3. Lots and lots of disk space. I purchased another 60 gigs just for the capture space. Never mind the processing space.
4. Since the article stays in Windows, try avisynth to do some of the post-processing. It saves quite a bit of disk space, but at the expense of time if doing two stage encoding.
5. If using Linux, transcode is fairly good, but it lacks the configurability of avisynth and Virtualdub with filters. It's just not as complete a set.
6. Interlacing bites. And an analog TV signal will definitely have an interlaced signal. You don't notice it on television because of the permanance of phosphorence. On a monitor that will do 85Hz, it's glaringly obvious. So do an inverse telecine on the video before encoding.
7. Big iron box. Encoding with any nontrivial filters (like an unsharp mask, or worse yet, noise smoother) will take a lot more CPU time than you could have imagined. Thank goodness that encoding is one of the most parallelizable things to do out there though.
I'd post more but I think this is enough noise for today.
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> converting old VHS home movies to a more timeless digital format, such as VCD, SVCD, and DVD
I have kids that handle my videotapes and DVDs, and let me tell you ALL of the videotapes are still going strong and most of the DVDs have been rendered useless from mishandling. When I borrow movies from the library (not yet a felony) I always choose videotapes over DVDs because heavily used DVDs are almost always unwatchable due to freezes, skips, and garbled scenes.
My paid-for DVDs are being destroyed by normal use, and the MPAA would like to make me a criminal if I make copies of those DVDs... but that's a different rant...
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Use at least a lossless compressor like HuffYUV or even, with a good machine, you could DivX or something on the fly at a high bitrate, and you /could/ even capture the audio in MP3 directly, or else just at 44.1Khz/16bit.
There's no way you should be needing that much hard disk space for a 50 min capture. I only have 80 Gig in all, and I captured and compressed a 2 hour film in MPEG-1 format, high quality, on the fly, on a PII - 350MHz @ 400x300 or something around that don't remember the exact figure. If I had a better CPU I could do better resolution and MPEG-2 on the fly.
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A few months ago, I made some attempt to digitize some VHS Tapes, with 4 different devices each reletively cheap (under $100) (Linx USB Plus Video Capture Cable, Belkin USB VideoBus II Video Capture Adapter, ATI TV Wonder, and Creative Labs Video Blaster Digital VCR). I was able to get the best quality out of Digital VCR though the software was buggy and annoying. The one click remote control recording was great, but once recorded, the movies are difficult to work with and extract to a file (The ridiculous little program it came with to extract video files was pure trash). The two usb devices were convenient, but neither could offer a serious representation of the vhs (each allowing a very limited resolution and quality with the very limited usb 1.0 bandwidth). As for the ATI tv-wonder, i had endless problems with color and quality as well as dropped frames. By the way, I was using an amd 1700+ with a 60gb harddrive. Some of my problems may have been user based, but after all this trouble, the next time i'll probably go for an analog to dv converter, or a digital camcorder with analog in.
I don't like Macs and I have to agree whole-heartedly. I've done video capture on a Mac and if it got any easier it would do it itself. On the PC platform, things get much more complex.
Working with Pinnacle on Winxp, I ran in to some DV capture issues. The tech support rep sent me a "Things to try" document with over 200 bullet items ranging from the obvious, reinstall the firewire card to the time-consuming reinstall the OS to the head scratching "disable font-smoothing". Ultimately, I built a dedicated video machine that works fine and never determined the real problem.
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Yes, you can get a capture card cheaper ... but it requires there be working drivers for not only the system you run now, but the one you run in a couple years.
The Canopus ADVC100 (which I own) or the other "bridge" type products require no drivers other your computer having a working Firewire setup the same as you'd have with a DV cam.
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BTW. These products are not TV tuner cards. They only convert an input video source. If you want TV capture, they're not the right solution.
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They could link to Linux-mentioning articles *as well as* rather than *instead of* the Windows articles, but if it comes down to a choice of a story about one or the other I think a Linux article would make more interesting reading. And Slashdot does have limited space (there are far more story submissions than ever appear on the front page) so this situation is quite likely.
It's not so much OS fascism as the fact that an article saying 'click here, click there, download that' is rather dull. A Linux article has the additional spin of interviewing 'Roberto Campari, lead developer of the free Videotromatic package' or whatever, and explaining the technical developments in more depth. And it can explain how to write a shell script to partly automate the task of tweaking volume levels, or stuff like that. Unix just makes for better literature than Windows.
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I don't know any good guide on how to do this, but using MPlayer under Linux you "just" issue the following command:
mencoder -tv on:driver=v4l:input=1:width=640:height=480:adevice =/dev/dsp:amode=0 -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4 -oac mp3lame -lameopts abr:br=128 -o myvideo.avi
with the correct video capture device loaded (e.g. bttv), video cable plugged to the video input, sound cable to the soundcard, and you obtain a 640x480 DivX with MP3 stereo audio, on the fly, using a 600MHz+ machine :-)