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Senator Calls For Copy-Protection Tags

Anonymous Coward writes "C|net has an article on a new bill being proposed in the Senate that requires all software, music and movies that employ copy-protection schemes must be prominently labeled with consumer warnings, which is being sponsored by Sen. Ron Wyden, D-Oregon."

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  1. This is a good idea by PD · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I think this is a good idea because it doesn't infringe on the rights of any particular party. The customers have more information to make their decision. Companies have the right to sell whatever product they want, in the form that they choose. The extra information on the box is just a rearrangement of the ink that they would have to put on the box anyway, so it's not expensive to do.

    1. Re:This is a good idea by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2, Funny
      "because the customer is allways right"

      Sorry, didn't you get the memo? That has been repealed by the Axiom Review Board and replaced with "because the customer is a probably a criminal".

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  2. Great Idea... by PerlGuru · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think this idea definatley has merit. Adam Thierer seems to think otherwise, "The better alternative to federal mandates on either side of this debate is to instead just encourage a technological free-for-all in the marketplace," Thierer said. "Let the industry do whatever it wants in an attempt to bottle up their content, but also let consumers continue to experiment with and use digital content in creative ways without fears of federal intervention at every turn... There's no reason for Congress to intervene in an attempt to solve each and every intellectual property dispute, as has seemingly becoming the case in recent years."

    But I think he seems to be missing part of the beauty of this. The bill wouldn't forbid or require that copy protection be used it would simply require disclosure of them to the consumer so that the consumer can make the choice on their own. Many states have similiar "full disclosure" laws when selling real-estate. I don't see how this would be considered much defferent.

    Just my 2 cents.

  3. My Proposal by Drunken+Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    The warning should say something like "Due to overzealous digital media companies, the enclosed product is broken and may not function in all hardware. Attempting to fix the defect is in violation of the DMCA and may be prosecuted to the fullest extent of applicable law."

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  4. Great idea! by mr.henry · · Score: 3, Interesting
    A copy-protected CD broke my CD changer recently. It had difficulty reading the disc's table of contents, then it jumped to a random track and played for a minute or two. After that, I had problems playing *any* CD. Luckily, the changer was under warranty and I got it fixed for free.

    Fat Chuck's maintains a list of copy-protected. Be careful!!

  5. I will only buy copy-protected software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    One of the reasons why I have been reluctant to "rip" my extensive CD collection to mp3's on my harddisk as all my friends have done, is that I fear that somehow through this P2P stuff my files will be downloaded off my machine and stolen, so I can't listen to music I legally paid for. My friends claims that you can just download it back off of Kazaa are not confidence inspiring, as I like rare rap music like Eminem which is not likely to be out there (except for the people who steal it from me).

    If I could be assured through a simple icon like the Undertaker's Laboratories that my CD was not copyable, I would rip to my harddrive with no fears, and get much more use out of my music because I could share it with my friends via windows file sharing.

    I support this bill.

  6. DCRTKA? by extrarice · · Score: 2, Funny

    We can't let this bill pass! The title, when condensed to the first letter of each word, doesn't make an inspirational word! Think of the children!

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  7. How about a bill... by CPgrower · · Score: 2, Insightful

    All software (like TurboTax) must include a label clearly stating it writes to a hidden track/sector of one's hard drive (Windows) as a means of copy restriction. As such, there is a risk of overwriting other information there.

    rob

  8. Copy protected vs. non-copy protected. by Rai · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If stores sold the copy protected version of a CD for oh say, $12-$15 (yeah, I know that's laughable considering how expensive CDs have become) and the non-copy protected version for $18-$20, I wonder which would sell better. Is it worth an extra $3-$5 to be able to backup the CD (and yes, I know you should able to do this without paying extra.)

  9. label design suggestions by joedoe · · Score: 2, Insightful
    These should be modeled after Canada's cigarette warning labels, which show graphic images of the effects of cigarettes.

    Perhaps a nice little picture of, say, a broken CD-ROM drive, or the nice little warning a Mac gives when its CD drive has been killed by one of these CDs...

    or just something simple, like WARNING: This product is inferior.

  10. Most people won't care by Kombat · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The sad thing is, most people won't care. They'll roll this out, a very vocal, splinter minority will kick up a loud stink, it'll blow over, and we'll have lost a little more freedom. The public is just too lazy and apathetic to get worked up over something so (seemingly) trivial. As long as the beer store is still there and they're still running Bingo every Thursday night, they'll just go with the flow.

    One thing I've learned is that it takes a VERY big offense to motivate your average citizen to actually get up off their couch and do something - ANYTHING - about something. I mean geez, polls show that at a minimum, 30% of Americans oppose the war on^H^Hin Iraq. That's what, 90,000,000 Americans? How many actually show up at the protests? A few thousand here and there? And we're talking about peoples' lives being at stake! Hell, half of the Yankee populace can't even be bothered to vote - you think they're going to sit down and write a letter to their rep over some stupid copy protection that they don't even understand anyway? Call my cynical, but I don't think so.

    I believe that if the RIAA decides they want this tech out there, then it's just a matter of time before all CDs have this copy protection. You can boycott if you want, but if every single CD is using it, there won't be any alternatives for you to direct your money at (none worth listening to, anyway). :(

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  11. Re:Why dont you thank him ? by ramzak2k · · Score: 2, Informative

    There you go , thats his contact page

    http://wyden.senate.gov/contact.html

    A small appreciation can go a long way.

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  12. Text of the Bill by BigBir3d · · Score: 4, Informative
  13. Call for suggests for a Free/Open tag slogan by dsplat · · Score: 2

    For all the CDs we hand out at installfests, it would be nice to have some stickers that proclaim the contents to be free software that can be copied and redistributed. It might grab some people's attention. Does anyone have suggests for a pithy slogan?

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    1. Re:Call for suggests for a Free/Open tag slogan by E-Rock-23 · · Score: 3, Funny

      How about these:

      It Sure As Hell Ain't Microsoft!

      Open Source: Spread The Love!

      Finally, Something Legal To Trade On KaZaA!

      Copy Me, Burn Me, Give Me To Your Friends!

      Or, simply: Distribute Freely And Often.

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    2. Re:Call for suggests for a Free/Open tag slogan by dsplat · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The third and fourth nearly had me choking on my coffee. But serious, the final one is suitable for any audience. It conveys the point succinctly and memorably. A slight variation on it that uses both the words "free" and "open" and conveys a subtly different message would be:

      Distribute Freely And Openly

      Tell everyone who gets a copy that they are encouraged to share it, and they don't have to do it secretly. There's no conspiracy. And there's no one looking over their shoulders to catch them.

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  14. Re:WARNING! by usotsuki · · Score: 2, Insightful

    At least you're honest enough to admit it.

    REPUBLIC != DEMOCRACY

    -uso.
    Can't someone do us all a favor and DoS goatse.cx? LOL

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  15. Re:Labeling is great, but what I really want is... by LinuxParanoid · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Exactly- putting together your own CD of what you thought were the best Beatles songs would be totally permissible under the "mix rights" concept, and the whole point... with the following restrictions (I'd be happy with either set of restrictions; more happy with A but totally willing to settle for B):

    A) you could only distribute the resulting 'best of beetles' to a few people (under 5, or say, under 10), and you could not legally sell the results (a flavor or expansion of 'fair use' rights under copyright)

    or

    B) you would have to pay for each redistributed mix CD (so I would have to pay RIAA or some entity $17 to distribute one mix CD (or $2/song or whatever) to a friend, but still it could be a mix of *my* choosing) and you could not redistribute more than X amount of material (X CDs or tracks, before whatever you are doing becomes a commercial proposition which requires a special license with the companies involved, and not just generic 'mix rights' for sharing among friends).

    It's a fantasy I admit. But no-holds-barred-P2P isn't what I want; "mix sharing" with close friends is what I want. I'm willing to pay for it. But nobody in the music industry is figuring out how to give it to me the flexibility that I (and I suspect millions of consumers) want to share music with my friends.

  16. The red book specification by yerricde · · Score: 3, Informative

    Does it say that random bits must not be inserted?

    Yes. The red book states that the block error rate must be under a specific threshold. The books also state that the index records have to come in a specific order and fit specific consistency constraints, especially across sessions. The copy restriction schemes break these, and discs that use them do not conform to the red book specification or the CD Plus specification.

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