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56k Times Five: Myth Or Moneymaker?

maxentius writes "InternetNews.com has an article on not-broadband-but-still-faster telephone internet access premiering soon in more than one commercial ISP venue. Compression and other techniques will improve speed by up to five times, so they say. Hi-tech or hogwash?"

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  1. Myth by KingDaveRa · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Its obviously transparent proxying and compression of data. If you download something like a long html document, you would probably see speed improvements - if you try downloading an MP3, you'll see no improvement at all. How do you compress what's allready compressed?

    Nice Idea, but doesn't really do what it says on the tin.

    1. Re:Myth by GreyPoopon · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Its obviously transparent proxying and compression of data.

      I think you're probably correct. You can always enable HTML compression at the web server and web clients that "understand" it will see better performance. We started using it where I work for mobile devices connected to our intranet, but we were disappointed by the results -- mostly because the images being downloaded (the bulk of the data) were already compressed and the HTML compression had a negligible impact on performance. I would anticipate similar issues if the technology Earthlink is using is the same. Redhat.com and Yahoo.com will download pretty fast. Viewing the latest photos on your family website will still be an exercise in patience.

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    2. Re:Myth by TopShelf · · Score: 4, Informative
      They're using Propel's web accelerator. From Propel's website:



      What will be accelerated
      All text - HTML, markup, and javascript
      Most graphics & photos - including jpeg and gif images and most Flash images and animation
      Most banner ads
      All browser-based emails
      All emails that contain images - even when read in a dedicated email program

      What will *not* be accelerated
      Streaming media, and audio and video files
      Secure pages, such as those used for online banking and credit card forms
      MP3 files and executable programs

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    3. Re:Myth by AdamJ · · Score: 4, Funny

      Most banner ads

      Boy, I can't wait to download those even faster!

    4. Re:Myth by reidbold · · Score: 4, Informative

      You could try uninstalling the flash player.

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    5. Re:Myth by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      "How about by not having the Flash plugin installed?"

      If you're an IE user, you get nagged to death.

      "Would you like to install this piece of software?"

      [NO]

      [Click on a link]

      "Would you like to install this piece of software?"

      [NO]

      [Click on a link]

      "Would you like to install this piece of software?"

      [GUNSHOT]

      That's the nasty thing about auto-installing plugins like ActiveX controls. They always send the request to be installed without any knowledge that they were turned down earlier. I wouldn't blame MS for this either. Back in the dot-com days, web developers thought their audience was incredibly incompetant when it came to using computers. If they didn't have an auto-installer, they wouldn't use it for fear that some wanker couldn't figure out how to hit save and okay a couple of times. Thanks to popular demand, this stupid auto-install feature was born.

      So that's why uninstalling it doesn't fix it.

  2. I figured it out - by bobdotorg · · Score: 4, Funny

    EarthLink Plus uses a proprietary "Web Accelerator" from Propel Software which reduces the size of Web pages and elements sent to users' browsers.

    Sounds cool, but in reality it's just Lynx for OSX.

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  3. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 4, Insightful

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  4. Cmprsss txt b rmvng ll vwls by hoggoth · · Score: 5, Funny

    They have invented a new text compression method that is analogous to the pscho-acoustic models used to remove the sound the human ear doesn't notice anyway.

    Thy smply rmv ll f th vwls n th txt. Ths wy thy cn gt a hghr cmprssn rt.

    Thnk f t ths wy: Thy cn cmprss t 11. The thr gys cn nly cmprss t 10. S, 11 s bttr thn 10.

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    1. Re:Cmprsss txt b rmvng ll vwls by CaffeineAddict2001 · · Score: 4, Funny

      By the sound of my modem it looks like the current compression scheme is to take out all the consonants:

      eieoeaoueoeieoeoauoeoaoeoaoueoaoeuoaaaaaaaaaa

  5. From Propels website by Myrv · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It supposedly works by doing:

    * Compression. Propel Accelerator delivers text and graphics more efficiently, using a proprietary compression technology

    This won't work with already compressed images unless it reduces the quality or resolution.

    * Caching. Propel Accelerator intelligently retains and re-uses Web pages and page elements that have previously been sent to your PC. That's why the longer Propel Accelerator is in use on your PC, the faster your Web pages will load.

    Nothing a simple proxy server doesn't already do. It may do pre-fetching of links but that won't improve the net throughput of your pipe.

    * Persistent Connections. Propel Accelerator uses proprietary techniques to carefully manage and optimize the communication between your modem and our network of servers through a persistent connection. This eliminates the time wasted re-establishing and closing TCP/IP connections.

    Internet Explorer already got in trouble by doing this. Leaving the TCP/IP connect unclosed violates standard practices and will only improve web speed if the server is running IIS since it expects IE to do this same trick.

    Overall it's all really just a bunch of caching with maybe some pre-fetching thrown in. Just up your browsers cache settings and enable Mozilla's multiple pipe feature and you're set.

    Nothing but a waste of money.

  6. How does it work? by stratjakt · · Score: 4, Informative
    From www.propel.com:


    Propel Accelerator is designed to provide maximum acceleration for the Web sites you visit regularly.

    So, the more you surf, the faster your favorite pages will load!

    Specifically, Propel Accelerator speeds up the delivery of Web pages three ways:

    Compression. Propel Accelerator delivers text and graphics more efficiently, using a proprietary compression technology that significantly reduces the size of Web pages and page elements sent to your browser.

    Caching. Propel Accelerator intelligently retains and re-uses Web pages and page elements that have previously been sent to your PC. That's why the longer Propel Accelerator is in use on your PC, the faster your Web pages will load.

    Persistent Connections. Propel Accelerator uses proprietary techniques to carefully manage and optimize the communication between your modem and our network of servers through a persistent connection. This eliminates the time wasted re-establishing and closing TCP/IP connections.
    Looking for more technical detail on how Propel Accelerator works? Please refer to our Technical Overview. It explains the various components and how they interact with one another.



    Nothing magic. It compresses a whole page, images and all, on the ISP side, and sends it down a persistant pipe to your client, along with some more intelligent caching information than is default (ie, the /. icons would stay cached but the text wouldnt).

    It would probably 'look' faster since the whole page is delivered in one package, and renders all at once, rather than having text and waiting for images to show up.

    It only accelerates HTTP AFAIK, so it's useless for anyone but the mom and pop web browser. It's certainly no substitute for bandwidth. The joe users buy broadband for P2P and streaming video and VPNs, none of which this 'technology' helps.

    It also sounds like it would require client side software. Support? "Windows 98/NT 4.0/2000/ME/XP (sorry, no Macintosh support yet." which goes without saying.

    Which brings me to a question. I regularly route my web browsing through my squid proxy at home (through ssh). Since my home uplink is 15k, it throttles my browsing. Is there an open source clone of this, or something similar?
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  7. Re:time to compress by Jennifer+E.+Elaan · · Score: 4, Informative
    When a web browser connects to a page, it (can) send a line called "Accept-Encoding" that describes what compressions it can understand. For instance, Konqueror sends "Accept-Encoding: x-gzip, gzip, identity".

    Presumably, identity is standard uncompressed text. The others indicate its willingness to accept gzipped files from the webserver.

    Since HTML is text, you have a GUARANTEE of 1/8th space savings. Since HTML tends to use a lot of similar codes, the space savings are, in all likelihood, far greater. Since on dialup, the latency of compression is trivial in comparison to the limitations of bandwidth, this may help substantially.

    Web-server compression makes sense to me.

    Then again, there are PPP extensions for compression now too. These would have a similar benefit.

    Combined with both an off-site connection proxy and an on-site data proxy (this is what their webpage suggests they base their technology on), you get the enhancement they claim, more or less (not for compressed files or raw data transfer though).

  8. It's mostly snakeoil, but not completely by Sloppy · · Score: 4, Insightful
    There does seem to be one clever thing they are doing. From their web page:
    ..The next time you visit the Amazon home page (which may have changed since the last visit), the following events occur:
    • Your request for the Web page is automatically routed by the Propel Client to the Propel Network.
    • The Propel Network retrieves the requested Web page from the Amazon Web site. Having identified the page elements that had previously been retrieved in a prior visit, the Propel Network only compresses and transmits those components that changed.
    • Data already stored on your PC - plus any new decoded page elements - are assembled locally by the Propel Client and delivered to the Web browser.
    Diffs! That's actually a good idea and it really would work.
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