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Microsoft To Demo 'Palladium' At WinHEC

1010011010 writes "According to Microsoft Watch, Microsoft will be demonstrating Palladium (also known as 'Next-Generation Secure Computing Base') at WinHEC in May in New Orleans. The 'trusted root' is now called the 'Nexus' by Microsoft. Developers wishing to write 'Nexus-aware' applications will apparently have to pay a licensing fee to do so. The product manager for Palladium, Mario Juarez, says, 'It's important to note that nexus-aware applications will not hinder any apps or anything else running in the regular Windows environment.' I'm sure you can all hear the word 'yet' at the end of that sentence. There's talk of phasing in Palladium, starting with Longhorn Server in 2005. I wonder how Microsoft will convince consumers that loss of control is a good thing, and how long the convincing will take. I, for one, am already planning to transition my company away from Microsoft software. Hopefully that won't get messed up by and dumb mandatory-palladium legislation from the Fritz types."

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  1. Did somebody say warez? by shogun · · Score: 5, Funny

    Let me be the first to point out the irony of someone called Juarez being in charge of an anti-piracy system.

  2. How to convince people loss of control is good by speedfreak_5 · · Score: 5, Funny

    "I wonder how Microsoft will convince consumers that loss of control is a good thing, and how long the convincing will take."

    Tell them if they don't they'll be supporting terrorism.

    --
    Why yes I am paranoid! Thanks for asking!
    1. Re:How to convince people loss of control is good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
      Shopkeeper: Take this computer, but beware: Windows carries a terrible curse.

      Customer: Ooooh, that's bad.

      Shopkeeper: But it comes with a free Media Player!

      Customer: That's good!

      Shopkeeper: The Media Player is also cursed.

      Customer: That's bad.

      Shopkeeper: But you get your choice of a free downloadable movie!

      Customer: That's good!

      Shopkeeper: The movies contain Digital Rights Management technology.

      Customer: [stares]

      Shopkeeper: That's bad.

      Customer: Can I go now?

  3. Another Microsoft Moment by Taliesan999 · · Score: 5, Funny

    After having bought MS Visual Studio C# .Net, not realising that the "Standard" version doesn't play with non MS databases, I can't wait for the day when my OS/Computer refuses to let me use MySQL via ODBC because the drivers aren't signed/Palladium compatiable. I'll be so happy to be secure and safe from subversive and dangerous open source technolgies.

    1. Re:Another Microsoft Moment by tshak · · Score: 5, Informative

      .NET plays with any database just fine via Native drivers, OLE/DB, or ODBC. AFAIK the issue is that VS.NET doesn't fully support non MSSQL DB's within it's Server Explorer - a feature that I have never found too useful anyway.

      --

      There is no longer anything that can be done with computers that is nontrivial and clearly legal. -- Paul Phillips
  4. The fees! by alpharoid · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't like the part about the fees. Palladium does seem to have one strong point in making its applications hard to exploit (even the badly-written ones).

    So won't this hurt Linux and Open Source software in general? High fees would keep Microsoft's good competitors (Apache, for instance) away from Palladium, and then we'd have all the unbearable boasting about how IIS is more secure.

    That would be a cheap trick... but one to expect.

  5. Nexus?! by C0LDFusion · · Score: 5, Funny

    And when Nexus gets to version 6, will it be physically and emotionally indistinguishable from a human being? Will we have to hire Blade Runners to keep Tyrell Corpo...I mean, Microsoft's crazed creations off earth?

    Nexus v.6: I want more life, fucker.
    Bill Gates: Sorry. Planned obsolescence is a bitch.

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    Only in slashdot are posts of solidarity modded at -1 Redundant, while posts of antagonism are modded as -1 Flamebait.
  6. Security by Axel2001 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    While the idea of the technology isn't really all that bad, I question the intent of Microsoft in creating Palladium. If the technology is adapted in its "pure" form, Microsoft will be able to determine what you can and cannot do on your own personal computer - and they will make consumers pay for this "technology." It would be like adding the extra "feature" to an automobile that you can drive only to certain places - and charging more for this "technology." Where can you go today?

  7. Re:Microsoft To Demo 'Palladium' At WinHEC?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    This reminds me of the time MS decided to demo Win98... I think the conversation went something like:

    demo guy: Well, Bill. You just hook up the scanner and Windows will automatically find and install the drivers for it.

    Bill: That's great!

    demo guy: Yes. It is one of the great features of Windo- Oh, boy. That's not supposed to happen.

    *BSOD appears on a 3 story screen*

    *audience laughs*

    */me shudders after thoughts of the future run through my head*

    I can see it now...

    demo guy: You plug in your printer and WindowsPA automagically detects it and installs the printer drivers.

    Bill: That's great!

    demo guy: Yes. It is one of the great features of Win- Oh, boy. That's not supposed to happen...

    *BSOD fills 3 story screen*

    BSOD: All you data are belong to Microsoft.

    *Audience laughs*

    */me laughs becasue /me is using Gentoo Linux!*

  8. Re:No one can tell you what the Nexus is by Poeir · · Score: 5, Funny

    If I didn't say this, someone else would.

    Morpheus: I know exactly what you mean. Let me tell you why you're here. You're here because you know something. What you know you can't explain. But you feel it. You've felt it your entire life. That there's something wrong with the world. You don't know what it is, but it's there, like a splinter in your mind driving you mad. It is this feeling that has brought you to me. Do you know what I'm talking about?

    Neo: The Nexus?

    Morpheus: Do you want to know what IT is? The Nexus is everywhere. It is all around us, even now in this very room. You can see it when you look out your window or when you turn on your television. You can feel it when you go to work, when you go to church, when you pay your taxes. It is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth.

    Neo: What truth?

    Morpheus: That you are a slave, Neo. Like everyone else you were born into bondage, born into a prison that you cannot smell or taste or touch. A prison for your mind. Unfortunately, no one can be told what the Nexus. is. You have to see it for yourself. This is your last chance.

    --
    Sigs are like bumper stickers.
  9. Re:why doesn't everyone.... by mao+che+minh · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Why doesn't everyone just sit back and wait and see what MS does?

    Because we already know what Microsoft will do: employ whatever tactics neccassary to insure their continued monopoly status and success - even if it means eliminating the private ownership of data as we know it. The rabid MS bashing going on isn't a sign of premature paranoia, rather, it is the natural reaction of those that have studied the company's history.

  10. Re:Mandatory access control for all! by ewhac · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Well, here's a message for you: [your computer is] shared with all the people who write software for your computer. That's right, software has owners and when their software is on your computer they think they should have a say over how it is controlled.

    They are wrong.

    My home is "shared" with a Nerf arrow launcher, a Sonicare toothbrush, a Panasonic TV set, and a Revere tea kettle (among other things). Neither Nerf, Sonicare, Panasonic, or Revere have the right to enter my home and tell me how I can or can't use these articles. Why? Because they gave up all rights and claims to those articles when they sold them to me.

    Yet, somehow, software vendors have gotten it into their minds that they not only have the right to impose constraints and restrictions on their customers post-sale, they think this is normal, even a positive thing. They are utterly incapable of seeing the yawning inconsistency between what they claim is happening (a "license" to use the software) and what is actually happening (a cash-for-goods sale).

    If we were to presume the software vendors are correct in their beliefs -- if we were to accept that a retail marketplace seller can impose restrictions on a buyer with little more than a shrinkwrap "agreement" -- then lawful innovation becomes impossible. The TV show Junkyard Wars would be illegal, as all the articles in that junkyard would have been obtained under contractual restrictions forbidding their use for anything other than what the vendor deemed proper. Using an old camping tent as a parachute for your rocket would land you in prison, because the vendor only granted permission for it to be used for outdoor camping activities. Likewise, using the Unreal engine as a basis for architectural walk-through simulations would get you carted away.

    Thus, the analogy must be deemed to fail. There is no "sharing" going on here, because the software was sold to end users. Once sold, the end user gets final say over how it's used. Any other interpretation raises caveat emptor to unreasonable levels. I should not have to take Lawrence Lessig with me every time I go shopping at Fry's.

    Besides, the computer industry got plenty vigorous and prosperous without these restrictions. No one has yet presented a convincing argument why that should change.

    Schwab