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Roland Piquepaille writes "When he was president of Celera Genomics, Craig Venter was the leader of the private project which deciphered the human genome. Now, he has another goal: create custom-made organisms -- one DNA letter at a time. 'Venter's objective is not merely to tweak existing life forms by inserting genes that confer specific traits -- the main tactic in conventional genetic engineering. Instead he wants to assemble an entire genome, DNA letter by DNA letter, putting together only the genes he wants: those necessary for an organism's survival and those that will allow it to carry out a desired task.' If successful, maybe in a decade, this could yield new sources of energy or novel drugs. Venter is not alone in this quest. Other institutions, private companies or universities, have similar efforts under development. Check this column for a summary of this eye-opening -- but quite long -- Technology Review article."

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  1. Here it is by Henry+V+.009 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is the real nano-technology. First we bio-engineer the tools we need to create whole genomes quickly. At that point, we can make designer bacteria or other organisms. The potential of that sort of technology is nearly unlimited.

    1. Re:Here it is by jmt9581 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't really think that nanorobots are necessarily the answer in this case. Spell checking could be done by DNA sequencing, which is currently expensive but there are efforts to develop new techniques that would make sequencing cheaper. I think that a new, cheaper sequencing technology will will be released long before DNA-synthesizing nanobots.

      However, I must admit that nanobots constructing DNA would be really frickin' cool. :)

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  2. How scary is this? by Montgomery+Burns+III · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Consider this: How well have we done writing software to perfection?
    How well have we done predicting all outcomes of chaos?
    I submit not very well. Lets not multiply our error in living creatures.
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    1. Re:How scary is this? by The+Only+Druid · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is one of the things annoying about Jurassic Park, actually: if they hadn't made predators (i.e. they'd stuck to herbivores), they'd still have some of the largest and most impressive animals in the history of the world, without any of the risks we saw in the books and movies. Basically, the park would have worked with herbivores...

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  3. Re:I have a great Idea! by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Let's play God!
    I have a better idea: let's stop using that silly phrase "play God" with respect to biotech. We've been "playing God" for thousands of years, ever since farmers first started selective breeding and hybridization of crops and livestock. Every tool of medical diagnosis and treatment in history, from traditional herbal remedies to antibiotics to MRI machines, has been "playing God," in that they interfere with the "natural" progression of disease and death. Indeed, all technology is "playing God" -- God didn't give us sharp teeth and claws, so we learned to chip spearheads out of flint; God didn't give us hooves, so we learned to ride horses and invented saddles; God didn't give us gills, so we built ships; et fucking cetera.

    There will always be fanatics whose fear of divine wrath keeps them back in the muck and mire. That's their right, and their business. But when they stand in the way of progress that will immeasurable improve my life and the lives of my children ... well, they'd better get the hell out the way.
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  4. Upsides Only by Aknaton · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "If successful, maybe in a decade, this could yield new sources of energy or novel drugs."

    Or perhaps biological weapons or a killer virus? It's amazing to me how people only discuss the upside of things like this without mentioning the bad that can come of it as well.

    1. Re:Upsides Only by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 4, Insightful
      The bad has been so thoroughly discussed by hysterical scaremongers that there's really no point. Even on Slashdot, where you'd expect a fairly scientifically (or at least technologically) literate audience, there are ten "don't these foolish scientists realize that There Are Things Man Was Not Meant To Know?!?!?" posts for every "wow, this is really cool" post.
      It's amazing to me how people only discuss the upside of things like this without mentioning the bad that can come of it as well.
      Reminds me of how American fundamentalist Christians like to talk about Christians as though they were a persecuted minority ...
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  5. Re:Dangerous by praksys · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Most all natural viruses are in a stalemate with higer lifeforms. Have co-oexisted for a long time and the higher lifeforms have internal memories for defense against these familiar enemies. A fabricated virus would be a novel thing to immune systems used to dealing with very specific attackers.

    On the other hand most naturally occuring viruses already have a complete bag of tricks for dealing with immune systems. If you start from scratch you can be sure to leave all of that stuff out. After all the down side of tweaking an existing virus is that you never really know what you are going to get - you don't know what all that extra genetic code actually does now, let alone what it will do after you mess around with it.

  6. Human Genetic Engineering is a Good Thing by Tuxinatorium · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There was a recent slashdot story about a controversy over using genetic screening in conjunction with IVF[/URL], which got me thinking. They are going to raise a new perfectly healthy baby, for the purpose of donating the umbilical cord blood to their sick child in order to save his life. So what if they're using IVF to screen out genetically defective embryos? The sole effect of this treatment, when allowed to go ahead, is a benefit to all parties concerned and does harm to no one. (For those of you who believe that the destruction of embryos is immoral because the embryos are people, all I have to say is that one mindless ball of flesh is not any closer to personhood than any other, because the sole characteristic that makes one a person or makes one capable of having a "soul" (if such things exist) is having a mind capable of thought and emotion, which is obviously not a characteristic of anything that has not yet developed any sort of nervous system) But I digress. The whole slippery slope argument about "Designer Babies" is completely bunk because sliding "down" that slope would be nothing but benefit to mankind. The world would, unquestionably, be a better place if genetically-based diseases were eradicated and people had more of a genetic predisposition to be healthy, fit, and intelligent. So what if the benefit only applies to those who can afford it; the same can be said of ALL expensive medical treatments, and yet we don't see anyone advocating banning chemotherapy for that reason. One of the other arguments against so-called "Designer Babies" is that genetic screening will, in many cases, be applied very narrowly (for example, to enhance physical attractiveness) neglecting more important things and actually making the person-to-be less healthy overall. So, hypothetically, the technology could be misused in harmful ways. Big deal. Antibiotics have been and are still being misused resulting in the creation of dangerous antibiotic-resistant diseases that are taking a great toll in some areas, such as Russia's problem with MDR Tuberculosis. Nevertheless, that has never been a good reason to ban antibiotics altogether, and this situation is hardly any different. The industry could be regulated to avoid abuses and malpractice, the same way other medical procedures and prescription drugs are handled today. The difference between this and other medical resources that are legal but regulated is grossly insufficient to warrant the double standard of banning genetic screening/improvement altogether. The third objection to so-called "Designer Babies" is an (IMO irrational) fear, spawned from science fiction, of creating a "super race" of genetically engineered humans, raising the standards for everyone and harming those whose parents couldn't afford the genetic improvement technology. Let me ask you, how is that sort of economic divide any different from the current situation? Rich people can afford to send their students to better schools, and provide them with a more advantageous upbringing in general. This results in a situation where the children of middle class and rich parents have more of a chance to succeed than the children of poor parents, regardless of their innate potential. Does this mean that all private/rich-public schools should be disbanded, and everyone, should be condemned to a crappy education and a disadvantaged upbringing? Heck no. That would certainly satisfy the resentment of the poor, without really helping them, but it would harm everyone else. That is analogous to the issue at hand: Banning genetic screening/improvement would simply hold back part of society from improving themselves, without providing any concrete benefit except satisfying paranoia and class envy. Such a ban would do nothing to serve the common good. Sure, there may be bugs to be worked out, as with all experimental medical treatments. So federal regulation, similar to the function of the FDA for drugs, is probably a goo

  7. Re:I have a great Idea! by arvindn · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I mostly agree with you, with some reservations. My argument has nothing to do with god or divinity. The issue here is entirely different from, say, cloning. We have to be extra careful here than with most other new technology. The same way people building nukes and people controlling them had to be more careful than with any other technology in human history. In a way we are fortunate that nukes are available only to governments. In this case it's worse. If this takes off as expected we're going to have a rush of private entrepreneurs racing to create new genomes. The problem is that we don't have any expericence in handling what we will create. The article mentions that they'll be put to use in tightly controlled conditions etc. How feasible do you think it is to ensure that? Sooner or later we'll have artificial organisms freely reproducing in the wild, and we'll have to get used to them and combat them.

    There are many technologies that give us a lot of benefits without commensurate dangers. But this one isn't one of them. That doesn't mean we shouldn't work on it; just be more careful and forearmed.

  8. They are on crack by minkwe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Anybody who claims they can do this in a decate (if at all) is either very naive or not thinking straight.

    We don't even know 0.1 % of how viruses function let alone cells. It's really laughable to hear things like these.

    One fundermental question that is still far from being solved and will benefit mankind more is the 'folding problem' --- That is, given an unknown DNA sequence (gene), what is the 3D structure of the protein it produces?

    Once we know that, the next problem is the 'function problem' --- Given the 3D-structure of an unknown protein, what is its function?

    Current attempts at solutions to these problems are merely AdHoc devices which are far from suitable in unique situations.

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