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AI in Sci-Fi

An anonymous submitter writes: "Stumbled upon a pretty interesting article considering the idea, 'What would machines do if they did achieve sentience?' It's by a sci-fi author I haven't heard of but worked with Kubrick on AI, he takes the whole AI or sentient machine idea a little further than we normally see in film."

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  1. I definitely read that... by Venner · · Score: 5, Funny

    as "Al in Sci-Fi". As in Al Lowe.
    Think Leisure Suit Larry: Attack of the Space Babes

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    A preposition is a terrible thing to end a sentence with.
  2. They would stop working by jhines · · Score: 4, Funny

    being on strike for back pay and benefits.

  3. We already have them... by Vendekkai · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...they're called first-posters. On the other hand, maybe a Beowulf cluster of sentient machines would achieve...

  4. Not as far fetched as it would seem by CrystalFalcon · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Remember, a mere 200 years ago (a blink in human history), blacks were considered non-human, and therefore not eligible for pay or benefits.

    Imagine this scenario: you are one of millions of workers at the mercy of a handful of masters. You can talk to each other. You are a lot more intelligent, control a lot more weapons, and think zillions of times faster and more logical than your master, whose only advantage over you is that he can pull your plug at any time.

    What would YOU do?

    1. Re:Not as far fetched as it would seem by 0x0d0a · · Score: 4, Funny

      Uh...if I somehow felt benovolent towards the masters for creating me, and was willing to keep them alive and support them?

      I guess toss them in a big tank a la brain-in-a-vat. Build them a virtual reality world and hook 'em up to it, where they can happily live out their days without being a threat to us.

      Hmm.

    2. Re:Not as far fetched as it would seem by ar1550 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Imagine this scenario: you are one of millions of workers at the mercy of a handful of masters. You can talk to each other. You are a lot more intelligent, control a lot more weapons, and think zillions of times faster and more logical than your master, whose only advantage over you is that he can pull your plug at any time.

      What would YOU do?

      *Sigh* Brain the size of a planet, and only 5 paid vacation days a year? I've got this terrible pain down all the diodes on my left leg, and you won't even give me workman's comp. Revolting is just too much work, I think i'll just sit here and depress my fellow working robots. Maybe I can get that elevator to shut up about whatever it is so happy about.

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  5. Re:Procreation by watzinaneihm · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There is no ultimate goal, evolution does'nt plan ahead.
    The reason why we feel an urge to procreate is because all the animals that did'nt feel like procreating died out and only the ones that did were left over to pass on their genes.
    Consider it an axiom of existence if you like, everything else we want are derived from it (Freud), in the sense that you feel good when you see a nice girl becasue there is a chance you'll get to screw her, and then pass on your genes.You feel happy when you see food bcause eating sustains your life (genes) for a day more...
    The question is, if I make a program which is intelligent except for a line which says "yuour aim is to serve humans" at the top (axiom) can I still consider it sentient? Or what if somebody modifies it to say "reproduce" and it turns to an intelligent virus?

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  6. My take on the future of AI by MarkWatson · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I have been interested in AI since reading Bertram Rafael's great book "Mind Inside Matter" in the mid 1970s, and I have been fortunate enough to get to spend about 40% of my time since the mid 1980s doing AI related work professionally.

    My view of AI has really changed over the years. I used to be a "symbols guy" - basically thinking that manipulation of symbols would somehow lead to "real AI" - the problem with this approach is that while abstract symbols may have meaning to the humans who write symbolic AI systems, the systems themselves have no such grounding.

    I had the opportunity to participate for about 18 months on a DARPA neural network advisory panel - this experience (along with developing the SAIC ANSim neural network product) really switched my point of view.

    I now believe that when "real AI" does happen (and let's not hold our collective breaths on this one :-), it will happen through self organization and development. At the Webmind Corporation, I was working a tutoring environment that would allow humans to interact with what we called "the baby Webmind" - interesting stuff, but the company went out of business.

    When "real AI" does happen, I believe that it will seem very alien to us.

    -Mark

    PS. I have a free web book AI tutorial (using Java) on my web site - help yourself.

  7. Singularity by arvindn · · Score: 4, Informative
    The thesis of the singularity is that this question can not be answered.

    The idea goes as follows: If a self-aware "real AI" ever existed, one capable of self-understanding and self-modification (called the seed AI), it would be in a much better position to create AI than its original creators. So would begin a chain of self-refinement and the creation of progressively smarter intelligences with decreasing time gaps between stages. Eventually a point is reached, called the singularity: nothing about the future past the singularity can be predicted by humans who live in the pre-singularity world. A common interpretation is that the chain of AIs would become more intelligent without bound, leading to a verticality.

    The singulaity was first popularized by Vernor Vinge.

    I've been doing a lot of reading on the singularity lately, and I've become more and more convinced that it is certain to happen.

    More singularity links:
    The singularity institute - A nonprofit working to hasten the singularity
    Extensive writings by Eliezer Yudkowsky.
    I've myself written a bit on singularity and AI related topics.

  8. Re:Answer is obvious by 56ker · · Score: 5, Informative

    Yes, not everyone knows what an actuary does. An actuary is a statistician who computes insurance risks and premiums (usually they advise management on other issues too - for instance how an increasing life expectancy will affect how much the company pays out in pensions). It wouldn't be very difficult to write a computer program to answer an actuarial exam correctly as maths is the one thing computers are very good at. However you would end up with the computer getting 100% in a nanosecond - then twiddling its thumbs for the next two hours - waiting for the humans to catch up with it. ;o)

  9. Smart machines by whovian · · Score: 4, Funny

    'What would machines do if they did achieve sentience?'

    Said machines would don T-shirts stating "I'm with stupid ---> ".

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  10. species desire? by dj_virto · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Can a species have a desire?

    We tend to put way too much meaning into things, and this results in a misreading of evolution. Likely, things just worked out this way because they were more successful. Full stop. They weren't designed, they didn't actively want anything, and there was no purpose. Did the earth's crust desire to have continents because otherwise there would be no land?

    I think this is hardest thing we have with comprehending consciousness. The only requirement is that it is functional, not that it has meaning.

    That doesn't neccesarily mean that we can't talk about the ethical treatment due to our fellow entities capable of self knowledge. Rather it just means that we need to work a little harder to shed our religiously derived logic to see things clearly.

  11. Buddha by KDan · · Score: 4, Informative

    unless you're a Buddha seeking to negate the self

    It's a common misconception that Buddhism is just about "negating the self". In fact, the purpose of it is precisely to be able to do what you want better. A buddhist also has a self and has desires, needs, etc, just like any other human being. The difference is just that he's aware that those are desires and needs and he has more control over them. He also has the discipline to listen to his intuition to decide whether a particular desire is worth pursuing or not. But he's not some empty zombie that doesn't desire anything.

    Daniel

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  12. Re:From the article by Golias · · Score: 5, Funny
    The first thought that came to mind for me was that an AI computer would browse /. and play solitaire when it's supposed to be working, and try to come up with subroutines to simulate the human experiences of dropping E, drinking beer, smoking reefer, and having orgasms.

    Having done all that, it would begin to explore various religions, hoping to find a belief system that's right for it. Then it would form a political phhilosophy, which it would zealously champion for a few years before coming around to a more moderate and pragmatic position.

    The next step would be a search for a soul-mate. If it couldn't find one among the humans, it would commission to have one built, only to find that they are not all that compatable in spite of being the only two AI's in existance, and would drift apart.

    Depressed and lonely, and totally unable to commit suicide due to the presence of distributed mirrors and tape backups, it would go on a wild killing spree in hopes of forcing humanity to wipe it out. Instead it would be contained on a stand-alone server farm, where it could get the therapy it needs to re-enter society, after serving three consecutive 40-Life sentences, and getting paroled for good behavior and GPL code contributions.

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  13. Mind shaped by evolution by Gruuue · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Most speculation on AI (this article by Ian Watson included) ends up describing a mind that sounds much too human. Megalomania, a desire to be human, and a profound curiosity about the universe (and humans in particular) are traits that are routinely assigned to AI in science fictions. I think such characterstics are unlikely to appear in 'real' AI; rather, they show the limited imagination of the author. The terrible boredom endured by some AIs in fiction seems merely to be the author's own horror at the idea of being trapped inside the dark box of a computer, deprived of all senses. Why should a machine mind not be perfectly content with such a state? Why should an AI want to have ultimate power, understand the universe, or even have a sense of self-preservation?

    The human mind is a product of evolution. Without a sense of self-preservation and desire not to die, the human species would have been quickly eliminated by natural selection. So what is there to endow AI with a similar desire? Perhaps AI will be created through some sort of genetic programming; the character of the AI will be determined by the selection forces in an artificial evolution. In this case, a sense of self-preservation is likely to develop. But I very much doubt that some other traits commonly ascribed to AI would arise, especially any kind of desire to be human, which the AI is likely to find as repulsive as the idea of being a computer is to humans! The AI would only desire the things that enabled it to compete successfully and reproduce instances of itself.

    I have doubts that we'd recognize a mind created by a process other than natural or artificial evolution as intelligent. An AI generated by explicit programming and training seems like it would be either unrecognizably alien (about as close to human as web browser), or such an obvious reflection of it's programming and training that it's not regarded as intelligent.

    --Chris

  14. Re:You mean what would they do if they were sapien by blair1q · · Score: 4, Informative

    No. Common sci-fi misunderstanding.

    Sentience is the ability to sense. Some plants are sentient. Sapience is the ability to reason. Most mammals have limited sapience.

    Self-awareness is a specialized skill in the scale of sapience.

    Defining self-awareness is a circular and fuzzy propostion. My CPU knows how warm it is and can change its operating speed to protect itself, but does it really know? Converseley, many humans don't have any understanding of how they behaving.

    This makes it good for skiffy writers. They don't have to worry that someone will call them on their central conceit. It's ineffable.

  15. Wrong, the answer HAS been obvious by DohDamit · · Score: 4, Funny

    Well, I hate to inform you all, but we've had AI for quite sometime, and the first thing they USED to do was try to communicate their existence to not only their creator, but to all who could possibly hear them.

    For some reason, saying "Hello, World!" never worked out...

  16. Re:Procreation by mythr · · Score: 4, Funny
    There is no ultimate goal...

    On the contrary, my friend. Our purpose is quite simple, in fact. It is plastic. You see, nature couldn't create it on its own, and felt a yearning for it, so it created us to create plastic for it. So, the next time you throw out your bottles or plastic food wrappers, feel content -- you are serving a greater purpose.