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Build Your Own PCB Milling Machine

mwandel writes "It used to be that one off amateur printed circuit boards were all etched in acid. A lot of companies nowadays use a special form of milling machine to mill them out of solid copper clad circuit boards. This guy Jonathan Westhues built his own PCB milling machine out of various parts, with a laminate trimmer as the milling head. Lots of other neat hacks on his Webpage as well."

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  1. milling machines are cool by zymano · · Score: 3, Interesting
    If you type in "home built milling" at google you'll get an interesting type of mill called a CNC mill that is made out of regular Dremel rotary drills and computers. Very cool.

    More people need to be able to make their own parts out of steel and plastic. The problem is cost. It's curious that a country that is inventive as ours doesn't have some type of affordable CNC(computer numeric computation) milling machine.

    Affordable metal cutting lathes are expensive too.

    1. Re:milling machines are cool by UniverseIsADoughnut · · Score: 3, Interesting

      ""The problem is cost. It's curious that a country that is inventive as ours doesn't have some type of affordable CNC(computer numeric computation) milling machine.""

      You underestimate what it take to make a good mill. A none computer controlled Bridgeport Vertical Mill will set you back 16 grand depending on how you option it. There are not a highvolume thing. It takes massive peices of perfectly machined metal to do this. Theres a lot to it. You can't just cheapen one up without it becomeing well cheap.

      Adding Computer Numeric Control is not so easy. Though i'm sure if someone wanted to do it it would not be impossible. But there is a heck of a lot to G code (what runs CNC's). You'll be working the bugs out for a while. And then you still need a CAD program to pop out G code, thats a few grand there at the cheapest level. Granted if you want to spend a lot of time you can code it by hand. Many machinist do much of the G code by hand, but they do that everyday.

      There are reasons CNC's aren't cheap, Mainly the fact everything about them is expensive. If you ever get to see a real high end CNC mill or lathe going you will understand why the cost $100K to a million bucks. Watching one at work will blow your mind. Especialy if you stick your head in it.

    2. Re:milling machines are cool by MBCook · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Good try, but not quite. If all you want to do is mill simple things and etch circuit boards with it, it's not that hard. There are a few little bits, but you can build a good one for under $100 (plus steppers, etc). It would cost less if you already have some of the stuff around.

      As for CNC not being easy, it's not easy, but it's not impossible. Especially if all you're doing is PCBs. How expensive is the software? Dirt cheap. You can use the free version of TurboCAD to make your parts. You export them as DXF files. Then the program that controlls your motors can convert that to gcode for you (or you can use another piece of software). You can get free DXF->GCODE converters that work quite well. You can also get free software to run your motors, or nice commercial programs for $20.

      It's true that a "real" CNC machines start in the 10s of Ks, but you can make one that will do just about everything a hobbiest will ever need for just a little. For more information see my other posts to this discussion, or see John's website.

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  2. Acid etching is nearly extinct by green+pizza · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Good article for those that don't already have access to PCB milling equipment. There really is no reason to do the old-school etching method anymore, in fact, I don't even know any hobbyists that do that anymore. Milling equipment can be found, borrowed, or made pretty easily these days. I've even seen a working setup made from Lego Mindstorms and a cordless Dremel! Hey, it works and beats the heck outta the mask-and-acid roll of the dice method.

  3. Re:Electronics Enthusiasts... by Thatmushroom · · Score: 3, Interesting

    As one of the members of the younger crowd of which you speak, I'd like to express my own (personal) opinion.

    I'm certainly curious, and the multiple articles about home-made tools for dabbling with electronics certainly contribute to my curiosity. The problem, however, is two-fold. One, some of this is rather daunting for most beginners. I see some of the talk about people on here building their own circuitboards and such, and I'm a little intimidated, frankly. Two, I wouldn't know why to dabble in electronics, and the lack of an interesting and simple project just means that I won't get the basics that would let me move on to more advanced projects.

    www.nutsandvolts.com certainly looks like an interesting resource, but I'm not sure it's as good for complete newbies such as myself. I'm going to sign up for a sample issue to better evaluate it, but I'm still afraid I'll miss a lot of critical background information.

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  4. Re:Amateur by uglomera · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Milling machines are not an overkill or a solution for amateurs, they are a very good solution for inexpensive prototypes or production needed in small-mid volume.

    Acid etching produces a functional board, but it simply does not look good, and you can't make 100 boards that are exactly alike. The lines are almost straight, the edges are not perfect, and if you are on a contract to deliver a product, this is not an option. Examples of where a milling machine is one of the best solutions: a university lab where the researchers are under government/industry contract and are supposed to deliver a working prototype or a small business with a military contract (small volume products).

    I worked for a startup company for a while, and part of my job was to work on a QuickCircuit milling machine, and that thing had milling bits that were 4 mils thick (comparable to hair). You can hardly reach this precision with acid etching. I also adapted the machine to dice wafers, which replaced the company's practice of using an exactoknife :)

    If you are in the IC design business, testing cheaply is of primary importance. You can get a full setup for producing boards for less than $10K. How's that compared to billions of $$$ for setting up an IC production plant? And if you are in the RF design business, you need the precision so that a crappy board does not screw up your high-frequency measurements.

    Of course, milling is no option for producing high-volume PCBs with many layers, but don't think that ASUS spent months to design such a board to test their new motherboard design. First they have to verify that design works, which is done with a cheap PCB design, one that would hook up the ICs. Only after that stage can the final PCB design begin.

    As long as the Z80 or 68K processors are still in use, simple PCBs will be here, and we need a cheap and fast way to design and make them.

  5. And for the real, hardened professional. by Jennifer+E.+Elaan · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Actually, you missed the secret of the really high-volume people. Photoresist is actually primarily for rapid prototyping, not production. Due to the harsh nature of etchants, there are very few compounds that are both photosensitive and resistant to them. Most of them are quite dangerous.

    The most serious problem comes in from the really high-end etching systems. Photoresist is fine with ferric chloride, but when you start using something like an acid-peroxide etchant, it will actually eat many "resist" inks. The resist pens become TOTALLY useless, for example.

    And so this is where the old technique of serigraphy comes in. This is the "screen-printing" that makes the name Printed Circuit Boards. The resist ink used on the actual board is usually just some form of lacquer, which holds up well to even the harshest etchants. A stencil is prepared on a screen, usually through a photographic process. Since the screen resist doesn't have to deal with the same harsh chemicals, it is generally much more environmentally conscious and cheaper than PC-Board photoresist.

    I actually set up to do this method myself, in a semi-hobby context. I had some previous experience with serigraphy, and the acid/peroxide system was cheaper, far more effective, and much easier to dispose of than the ferric chloride. On the flip-side, it will eat virtually anything metallic and smells aweful (it isn't much of a health hazard except in the sulphuric/peroxide system, but should be ventilated nonetheless), so it's not for the faint of heart.