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LCD Price Fixing?
bilsaysthis asks: "Bill Kearney poses a really interesting question, one which I've been puzzled by for a while too: 'What's with prices on LCD displays? On one hand a laptop can be had with UXGA resolution display for $1000. Try buying that display alone and you'll find it's also around $1000. Then there's how much they're gouging for the same resolution in an LCD television.'" Sadly enough, as much as I want one of these for my wall, the market is willing to bear these prices. How long will it be before this hardware becomes affordable?
When the OLED's come out!
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Perhaps the cheapest laptop LCD screens are being sold at a loss, and the desktop ones are sold at a high profit?
Just a random guess.
Consider how many LCD's that IBM buys for their ThinkPads, compared to mom and pop.
When you think about it like that, we should consider ourselves lucky that our LCD's dont cost more than they already do.
Many of the laptop makers either own their own monitor factories (Like Sony) or get incredible volume discounts doing their own importing (say, Dell).
Items that don't sell well in "retail" channels get a much higher mark-up to make up for the small volume. The same item in lots of 1000 or more over and over again will sell dirt cheap. Ever noticed the price per 1000 of your favorite cpu when it comes out?
It's a bit of a catch-22. When customers buy more via retail channels, the prices will come down. When the prices come down, customers will buy more...
Eventually the retailers will get there trying to compete with each other, but with "most" (me and you not among them) customers are perfectly happy with what's out there now, there isn't enough demand for a big retailer to start stocking larger quantities and begin the price death spiral we've grown to know and love about computer parts.
The party of stupid and the party of evil get together and do something both stupid and evil, then call it bipartisan.
I might be willing to hand over the big bucks for one of the bigger flat-panel displays, but to do so I would have to accept a number of dead pixels in the bargain. For instance, there's the Samsung 240T which goes for about $3,000, regardless of whether the thing has dead pixels or not.
Why aren't the 240T's with, say, eight dead pixels sold at a different price? I understand the issues with the manufacturing of these displays, that if they were to reject all but those without dead pixels the cost would be prohibitively expensive, but why can't they just count the number of dead pixels and set a price accordingly.
Monitors are important; I end up looking at the thing most of the day for work and for play, I am willing to pay a premium for a very fine display. But to risk getting one with a bunch of dead pixels right in the middle of the screen, I mean, that would just suck really, really bad.
Is this truly the only Earth I can live on?
I tend to agree... except that we said that before SODIMMs were standardized. We said that before mini-pci became common. We even said that before ACPI actually worked. Standizing laptops wholesale would never work, but they do seem to be approaching some reasonable interoperability in many ways.
I've had this sig for three days.
I'm not sure you understand- price fixing is *exactly* the situation as described. You see, when manufacturers fix prices, all the manufacturers collude to set prices far above fair market value. In the modern world, they feel they can get away with it because if someone tries to undercut them they can revoke licenses and sue for patent infringement.
The point he's making is that this is a corruption of capitalism, and that the situation you're describing- lowered prices- is not occurring because of illegal collusion among competitors. This is encouraged in Japan (for an excellent fictional discussion of the topic, see Michael Crichton's novel "Rising Sun"), but frowned on in the United States. Unfortunately, stupid patent laws and unenforced hole-filled antitrust laws are what make this possible.
If I remember right, Sony and other manufacturers of CD based music just lost a lawsuit for falsely inflating the prices of CDs. Maybe there is something similar going on with the flatscreen business. As long as people keep buying at these high prices, they will continue to have high prices.
Another thing to think about, though, is the vast quantities that laptop manufacturers purchase in order to keep the prices down. It's kinda like Windows. A bundled version probably cost 2/3 what a shelf copy costs (or less, I'm not sure).
The best thing about LCD's is that the display is perfect with a DVI input. Perfect pixel alignment, and no analog artifacts. LCD + VGA is almost worse than CRT + VGA, since analog errors look a LOT worse on a digital display.
Alas, i do a lot of video testing, so I need a display that is analog resizable - a CRT. But that analog noise in VGA always worries me, since it's hard to prove what image errors are due to compression, and which are due to the cable. So, what I want is a DVI CRT! Something like a LaCie ElectronBlue 22".
Anyone making anything like that. I don't mind if it's significantly more expensive than a normal monitor.
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