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Orange Decides Against Code Signing

Posted by timothy on from the diminishing-returns dept.

cemysce writes "Orange has decided to yeild to developer and owner pressure and remove code signing requirements from their Orange SPV phone, based on the Microsoft Smartphone 2002 platform. This move was taken after a workaround to the code signing became widespread."

11 comments

  1. I don't understand by jsse · · Score: 1

    I among one of the handheld developers don't understand why should we spend time on something strictly controlled by a proprietary vendor, while we have so many other platforms to work with, and with much bigger market share?

    1. Re:I don't understand by ktorn · · Score: 1

      Honestly I think proprietary vendors do not expect to see the majority of the developers out there (independent devs or small software houses) to adopt their technologies. I bet they've already stuck their deals with a selected few technology partners who will produce their 'flagship' applications.
      So unless you're working for one of these few companies, why worry?

  2. Why must a developer use smartphone by jsse · · Score: 1

    I'm an O2 developer. O2 is basically an iPaq+mobile phone combo. Our clients believed that it's powerful yet easy to develop apps on it. The biggest mistake was adopting Embedded VB 3.0 for our development.

    Turn out this is an extremely crippled software - lacking dll it's supposed to have(xml dll, for example, and we must import the win2k's version because we don't have source to compile it natively, and pray it works well on CE), and crap SQL parser(can't select numeric field! No select count(*).. sorry!), etc. It's like hell working with it, when the apps requirements getting more complicated.

    Our hope for better version of it is totally shattered by Microsoft's initiative in 'Smartphone' and their next dev. platform Smart Device is totally incompatible with EmVB. Oh dear EmVB, RIP! :(

    Now let me get this straight Microsoft, you make products obsoleted our every major development on your ever changing handheld OS, now you want us to pay to sigh so as to make our stuffs run, then you may obsolete our work pretty soon in next major initiative?

    GET REAL!

    *continue maintaining crappy EmVB code after ranting* *sob*

    1. Re:Why must a developer use smartphone by janvo · · Score: 1

      Bloody hell, obviously you can't code worth shit. I've been developing with WinCE (all platforms) for 5 years now and it's come a long, long way. The problems you describe all stem from poor design decisions. If you actually did your research, you would find that there are many, many options out there for what you want to do. For example, if you want to use XML, try using the Expat parser - I do, and it's great. If you need a rdbms, there's SQL Server CE (has it's issues), Oracle Lite (also has it's issues) and Sybase Ultralite (which i think is the best out of the three) - but all in all, there are some very good tools out there. If you would have done any research, you would have found out quite soon that eVB sucks shit and the only real choice for embedded development on that platform is to go with C++ or Java (powered by Jeode JVM)... Do your research b4 you start shittin on the OS.

    2. Re:Why must a developer use smartphone by jsse · · Score: 1

      Yeah I know eVB sucks. I'm not the one who chose this platform; If I were, I'd definitely chose C++ or Java. I wish you were my PM/SA - they chose eVB because it's free, regardless of its downside. :(

      Free piece of crap is still crap.

    3. Re:Why must a developer use smartphone by janvo · · Score: 1

      My view would be to make the switch as soon as possible... there's many reasons to do this, and eVC is downloadable as a free toolkit as far as I know. I too am going to be working with the O2 soon, it's a very nice device, I may be able to help if you need it.

    4. Re:Why must a developer use smartphone by jsse · · Score: 1

      That's very kind of you. Thanks in advance.

  3. You Betcha' by orthogonal · · Score: 0

    Yah, I develop killer app for Orange SmartPhone.

    You betcha'!

    Yah, I pay for priviledge, you betcha'!

    Yah, I tell all friends, you buy Orange SmartPhone, you betcha'!

    --
    Opinions on the Twiddler2 hand-held keyboard?
  4. Only for beta testing by Fruny · · Score: 3, Informative

    Straight from the article.

    "[Orange] will now allow these to run beta code on Orange SPVs without it being signed first."

    "However, Orange still requires developers to undergo the code signing process to be able to sell finished applications to Orange SPV owners"