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Contractor Proposes Laser Rifles for US Military

The Fryar writes "Well, folks, it looks like the future really is now! It seems the Defense Review has uncovered a submission by Stavatti, a sort of "free market" defense contractor, to the military for a laser rifle. The submission comes in response to the Army's LFLAN requirement - the quest to provide "Light Fighter Lethality After Next" technology, or lasers/phasers/sabers/advanced weapons for use some 20 years down the road. Needless to say, I also considered the category "Star Wars Prequels" for this article."

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  1. Weapons != toys by CptSkydrop · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Call me a peace loving hippy but I don't think the prospeect of a weapon thats designed to kill and injure should be put under a category that is about fun and enterntainment (toys).

  2. Cure disease? Explore space? Feed the hungry? by defile · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Nah! That shit's boring! Lets focus our resources on developing more efficient ways of killing people!

    Someone really needs to start an extra-American hyper technology-driven society with some priorities besides war-war-war. Brotherhood. Unity. Peace. Peace through power! One vision one purpose!

    1. Re:Cure disease? Explore space? Feed the hungry? by cyberlync · · Score: 4, Insightful


      Someone really needs to start an extra-American hyper technology-driven society with some priorities besides war-war-war. Brotherhood. Unity. Peace. Peace through power! One vision one purpose!


      You will never find it. America's priority is not killing people, you can do that with very simple technologies (gas chamber, etc). The priority here is defense (or perhaps offense according to your persuasion). These means that we look 20 and 30 years into the future so that we can guarantee that we have the capability to defend ourselves and carry out our national policies.

      Every nation on earth is doing this, with the constrictions of thier resources. Do you think France and Germany are sitting on thier butts and not worring about developing new military technology? No way, if they weren't they wouldn't be around in the next few decades and they know it.

      Like it or not we are Human and that means that as a species we like to kill each other and take each others resources by force, etc, etc. If you have a problem with that talk to the evolution gods. Untill you do though, we will continue spending money to make sure we are not the next Carthage, Phonecia, Ottoman Empire, etc.

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  3. This is vaporware (pardon the pun) by Goldenhawk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A few salient details should convince you this is as close to an April Fools joke as it's possible to get on April 2. If it hadn't been posted on DefenseReview I'd have completely ignored this.

    The polonium source is always hot, whether or not it is being used. The article states that "while the weapon is in a storage mode, in essence the system produces 104KW of heat energy." Imagine a bin of these replacement cartridges - it could run a small town. And when in use, each burst (of which you can fire 170 per minute) has an internal energy dissipation of 16.4KW. No kidding. You'd need several inches of shuttle thermal tile just to hold this thing.

    The article states "Currently Polonium-210 is only produced in microgram quantities for research purposes at facilities such as Oak Ridge National Laboratory." Yep, THAT'S likely to change soon.

    It specs a recoil force of 90 (yep, NINETY) pounds in the forward direction - enough to rip it out of the hands of a soldier. And it claims to be able to sustain 170 bursts per minute, at 0.35s per burst. That's about 59.5 seconds per minute, yanking at 90 lb on a soldier. No human could handle this thing for long.

    The article states "Stavatti has not previously, nor is currently involved in an effort to develop a qualified small arm weapon system ..." like this one. Yep, that makes it likely this could ever work.

    Finally, the article is full of spelling and grammar errors.

    Just in case you missed the pun, it's a carbon dioxide / nitrogen gas laser - hence the term "vaporware"...

    BTW, their web page about this thing is here:
    http://www.stavatti.com/armament_systems.ht ml

    I think Defense Review got hoaxed.

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  4. Re:Say what? by ratamacue · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The term "free market" here is misleading. Free market economics (i.e. capitalism) is the philosophy of voluntary association: Nobody forces anyone to sell anything (or not sell anything), and nobody forces anyone to buy anything (or not buy anything) -- it is the complete absence of force in the market. Under a free market system, every transaction is done on a voluntary basis. Government contracts, on the other hand, represent the exact opposite of free market economics. Government contracting does not represent voluntary association but coercion: The consumer (you and I) do not choose for ourselves whether or not to patronize these businesses. We choose between paying our taxes, leaving the country, or going to jail. This is not market decision but a threat, and hence, the defense contractor does is not a true competitor in the free market. Their market share is not acquired through persuasion, voluntary association, and fair competition. Their market share is aquired through force. Therefore, to label a government contractor "free market" is completely wrong and backwards, and serves only to blur the distinction between free market economics and socialism.

  5. Re:TOTALLY ILLEGIAL by MrMickS · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Hmmm.... they've been using laser rangefinders for years and laser guidance systems for munitions.

    Also isn't it strange that the Geneva convention would band weapons that cause permanent blindness yet allow ones that kill people?

    "He's dead Jim, but look on the bright side he didn't lose his sight"

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  6. One advantage by Sergeant+Beavis · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ....that I see with this weapon is better shooting. With a ballistic rifle (aka: the M-16) you have to account for the arch of the round you are firing. The soldier firing would still have to rely on firing basics, breathing and trigger squeeze for instance, but not having to account for a bullets arch would be helpful.

    One disadvantage to a system like this would be laying down cover fire. The adoption of the M-16, by the Army, made it easier for a soldier to lay down cover fire so that fellow troops could move into a better position to engage the target. This weapon system, IMO, wouldn't make a visible or audible cover fire that would force enemy troops to seek cover. That can be a good or a bad thing depending on the tactical situation.

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  7. Kill, kill, kill by hey · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The more the U.S. kills people around the world the more enemies it makes. It needs to kill those new enemies. Better make better guns so you can kill more of those enemies...creating more enemies.

  8. Re:Another half-baked Army project by The+Evil+Couch · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ok, speaking as an actual active duty infantry soldier and not some armchair general, the molle's actually pretty good. it's just not that much better than the gear we've got now to make changing over worth it.

    the molle has a book and a video to put it together and wear it, but you're an idiot if you can't figure it out by yourself. it's really pretty easy to put together and configure.

    as far as new weapons, I'm all for having a weapon that I don't have to carry a shitload of ammunition for. if all it needs is a radioactive power cell and it's good to go for longer than I'll be in contact with the enemy, fucking awesome.

    the first gripe of any soldier about new equipment is weight. no ammo means less weight. a lot of soldiers will be happy with that shit. the M-16 has its weaknesses and I wasn't sorry to say goodbye to it and get my hands on my first M4.

    the reason the military has a large budget is so we can continue to improve things by testing new ideas. we've made big jumps with gear. if this laser rifle isn't a good idea, we'll figure it out. we don't need someone that hasn't crawled in the mud and put bullets downrange second guessing new technology or telling us that the M-16 is fine as it is.

  9. Re:Actually... by Dun+Malg · · Score: 4, Insightful
    For every advance in weapon technology, there should follow the concern of it falling into the wrong hands.

    So what do you suggest? Uninventing it? Destroying anything that could lead to its re-discovery? Kill anyone smart enough to think of something similar? Your working the wrong angle. Weapons aren't the problem. People wanting to kill people is.

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