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Information Patents in the US and Europe

Over_and_Done writes "First Monday has an article up discussing the differences in information process patents between the US and Europe. The author mentions that the United States reform is too focused on process reform, arguing that they should be instead focusing on what is and is not patentable (i.e. Business Method patents). He also states that Europe is choosing to instead follow a different track, and make the process a little more restrictive, resulting in a rift between the US and Europe. The article raises a lot of interesting facts that I was not aware of, including the incident where the US threatened to walk out of the WIPO meeting because the proposed treaty did not 'mandate patents for all fields of activity.' The author, although critical of the policies on both sides of the pond states that the rift is in some ways healthy, as it encourages an open debate and requires people to look at the patent issue from many different angles."

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  1. Algorithms and Scientific Ideas by eenglish_ca · · Score: 1, Interesting

    What I believe should be patentable are Algorithms and Scientific Ideas, not patterns such as those making up the genome and so forth. Those belong to their owners therefore falling under the arena of copyrighting. IMHO.

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    1. Re:Algorithms and Scientific Ideas by Gerry+Gleason · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Imagine if Djkstra patented his algroithms? Imagine if all the sort algorithms had been patented?

      Exactly right. In fact the article quote Gates saying that if this type of patent were possible in the past, the industry would be at a standstill, but he doesn't continue this quote as Lessig does in this presentation where he (Gates) indicates his plan to do exactly that with our future. If you don't think he plans to use this to attempt to destroy Linux at some point, I've got a bridge to sell you.

    2. Re:Algorithms and Scientific Ideas by Com2Kid · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Sorry, it is not a joke.

      more information here

      This was actually posted on /. about a year or so back.

      The father filed the patent to teach his son about how the US patent system works, figuring something so ridiculous and obvious would never get patented.

      Two years later, he got back the news, patent approved.

      Oddly enough, it does not appear to have been overturned, or would I have to look someplace else to find that out?

  2. Wrong, None of this should be Pantentable by Gerry+Gleason · · Score: 3, Interesting
    If you had read the article, you would know that there is mounting economic evidence that this uncontrolled growth in what can be patented can be very damaging to economies. In particular software patents don't work well at all, and just create a lot of confusion for companies trying to make products. It won't be a surprise to /.ers that patents, particularly software and business method patents, are often used by unproductive companies that don't even have products on the market to hold-up productive companies for cash. Further, they give a big advantage to large organizations to keep out upstart competitors.

    Algorithms are essentially ideas, and ideas are neither patentable nor do they qualify for copyright. A particular expression of an idea can be copyrighted, and its use in a process can be patentable, but ideas are not, at least in principle. The idea that you can patent a naturally occuring pattern (i.e. a gene or genes) is ridiculous. It might be ok to give a patent on say a genetic test for a particular condition, but it seems to me that there isn't much invention beyond the basic science (idea) that links the gene and the condition.

    The truth is (as explained in this very good paper) that the patent authorities in both the US and Europe have bent over backwards to extend the scope of patents. The paper lays out how patent professionals keep pushing this, sometimes in spite of any attempt of anyone outside their circle to attempt to set policy, even lawmakers. Check this out for an indication of just how out of control the EPO is. They make money from handing out these patents whether it is good for the rest of us or not, and there is little effective control on any of it.

  3. New patent administration method by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I think removing the creator's ability to dictate use in general could solve a lot of the current problems with "intellectual property". The radio industry, oddly, is a good example in that any station can play any music without having to negotiate separately with each distributor. Instead, they pay a central collection organization based on how many times they play each song.

    I believe this would be a good model for patents etc, because it would remove not only the uncertainty relating to lawsuits but also it would allow useful technologies to become widely spread. Also, holders of IP would benefit in direct proportion to the usefulness of their inventions. Not to mention, that business would save the expense of an IP legal department.

    We might even see less of these trivial patents that have been granted lately. I think that might be asking too much though.

  4. Re:The nexus between business and government by Planesdragon · · Score: 2, Interesting

    As a non-American, it seems logical to me that you should expect your government to make a conscious decision before a legal doctrine should undergo such a transformation.

    Democracies don't make concious decisions. They're mobs that allow the shewd to get ahead at the expense of the simple, and can all too often lead to tyrannies of the majority.

    The USA prides itself on being a demoracy. We may have been forced to put in safeguards against the tyranny of the majority, and there have been several times when the mob has risen up to cast down the shrewd, but by and large we're very, very democratic.

    Nations that make concious deicsions aren't democratic--they're oligarchies or burracracies or dictatorships.

  5. The Stacker Case by Carewolf · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It's a great and lengthy article, but am I the only one who feels that they misrepresent the Microsoft vs Stac case?

    They first state it as a victory for patents, but didnt Stacker go bancrupt during the case, because of the violation by Microsoft?
    And Microsoft didnt break the negotiations and develop their own product infringing on a patent. They broke the negotiations and released code stolen from Stacker as their own.

    With this "poster" case punctured, can anyone come up with a case where a patent has protected a small company against a much larger?

  6. Re:Not fully correct on the EPO by Gerry+Gleason · · Score: 2, Interesting
    The press release is completely consistent with what the paper says about the EPO and their resistance to any outside influence. I can't point to the exact statements in the paper, but it is clear about both the EPO and the USPTO being incredibly resistant to even proper policy making authority. They seem to think they are the masters of this turf, and that nobody can tell them what to do. The press release is quite chilling about the way even the patent examiners themselves can be told to just shut up and keep approving patents whether or not you have the proper resources to critically evaluate them.

    That's what I get paid for. The examiner gets paid for not allowing patents that do not meet the requirments of the EPC.

    IANAL (still 9 months to go)

    You're being criptic about exactly what work you do and are preparing for. I hope you take the initiative to actually learn about the broader implications of patent policy, and don't become as self-serving as the rest of this system already is. If you are working on the industry side of this, then you need to make the effort to understand all of the commercial implications of widening the scope of patents and resist the urge to help clients in monopolistic power grabs. If you work on the government side, you must strive to apply the proper regulatory principles, and not simple work to expand the teritory under control of your agency.

    If you haven't already, read this entire paper (the firstmonday one, not just the link I supplied) and let the critical points sink in.