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Sandia Labs Takes First Steps Toward Fusion

robosmall writes "Sandia Labs has successfully demostrated the emission of neutrons (a side effect of thermonuclear fusion) from a BB-sized capsule of deuterium using using their venerable Z-Machine (eye-candy!). With this achievement they enter the race to create sustained fusion reactions."

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  1. The holy grail of energy by dtolton · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Fusion seems to be the ultimate goal for energy. Offering a
    clean and abundant power supply that could potentially alter our
    entire power production system. One of the problems with the
    transition to a hydrogen based economy has been that energy is
    required to extract the hydrogen from known reserves (petroleum,
    water, etc). The most common solution offered seems to be solar
    powered systems, however fusion could offer a great alternative
    which in the long run may prove more viable and more extensively
    useable than solar, hydro-electric, or wind power individually,
    maybe even collectively.

    It's particularly encouraging to see the scientists questioned
    their results and tested for extraneous sources before
    publishing preliminary findings.

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    Doug Tolton

    "The destruction of a value which is, will not bring value to that which isn't." -John Galt
    1. Re:The holy grail of energy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's particularly encouraging to see the scientists questioned their results and tested for extraneous sources before publishing preliminary findings.

      what do u think they are? programmers?

  2. Z machine? by mypalmike · · Score: 5, Funny

    So can I play Zork on this thing or what?

    -_-_-

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  3. HL? by Hodr · · Score: 5, Funny

    How long until the lights go out and demons from another dimension are sucked into the building?

  4. Practical fusion at home! by Rorschach1 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Fusion research isn't just for the big guys - you can build a Farnsworth-Hirsch fusor at home! Seriously, these things are capable of fusing hydrogen when built properly. I think they're only like 1% efficient at generating power, but it looks like there's still some room for experimentation. You could probably put one together for a few hundred bucks if you're good at scavenging. The biggest danger really isn't from neutron emission, it's from working with vacuum equipment. I wouldn't want to be near a glass bell jar when it implodes. Still, it'd be worth it just to have a cool, glowing fusion reactor in the garage.

    1. Re:Practical fusion at home! by Veteran · · Score: 4, Informative
      Farnsworth's fusor patent (US patent number 3,258,402) describes a much more elaborate tube which works much better than the Hirsch variant.

      Evidently the problem with the better design is that once the fusion threshold was reached the temperature of the fusion plasma rose high enough to keep the ion injectors from being able to add new fuel to the plasma.

      Farnsworth's better tube creates an almost ideal plasma:
      • Low electron temperature
      • High Ion temperature
      • High plasma density
      • Stable plasma (no magnetics involved).


      As far as I know nobody has rebuilt the more complex fusor tube to try improving on the Farnsworth design. That design was brilliant. It is not obvious how the tube works until you realize that the virtual electrode produced by the electron cloud at the center of the tube is partially canceled by the ions injected into the center - which allows more electrons to concentrate in the virtual electrode - which allows more ions - etc. This allows a very dense plasma to be generated.

      The truth is Farnsworth created more fusion in his desktop experiments than any of the giant, big money, fusion experiments since.
  5. Hybrid Quesion by DumbSwede · · Score: 4, Informative
    Always a small dollop of good news from the Hot Fusion camp every 6 months or so. It gets to seem like a snail race between Z-Pinch, Magnetic Confinement, and Laser Implosion. Now it turns out that Cold Fusion may not be entirely dead (see March 29, 2003 issue of New Scientist, on US Navy research into Cold Fusion -- sorry no online version yet). Add Muon catalyzation , and you have 5 potential avenues to Fusion.

    From the outside it looks to be a competition, and mutually exclusive at that. What are the possibilities of hybridizing these methods? Could all 5 approaches come together and cooperate towards solving this puzzle? I can even suggest a few new Fusion approaches of my own.

    Fusion is generally considered clean compared to Fission, at least in direct by-products (your containment vessel is another matter due to high-energy neutron bombardment). Could we abandon the completely clean approach to get across the finish line, and then improve towards pure forms of Fusion? By this I mean Fusion-Fission hybrids similar to an H-Bomb, which uses the neutron burst (and heat and compression) from a fission reaction to trigger a fusion reaction. Would seeding our deuterium-tritium pellets with cores of plutonium, or other more unstable isotopes, yield better conversion ratios? Can micro critical masses be achieved by compression with fissionable products? How about micro fission generators, that rely on micro fission explosions. Then like our theoretically perfect fusion reactors, it would be impossible to go critical, because you would never have the fuel density to achieve run away fission (take away the compressive mechanism, no fission).

    Anyway I'm just a lay person, but I figure there should be a few good Physicists in the forum, that could answer my core question about whether there a hybrid approaches being tired. I would be especially intrigued to learn if muon catalyzation has been tried with any of the other 4 approaches. For those unfamiliar with muon catalyzation, the essential idea is that an electron can be displaced by a muon for short periods of time, with a subsequent huge reduction in the size of the electron/muon orbital cloud, allowing atoms to come much closer together before mutual repulsion forces them apart. Thus a much lower thermal energy is needed for fusion -- hope I got that right :-)

  6. Re:Fusion isn't clean by nihilogos · · Score: 4, Informative

    Even if we leave aside the radioactivity of deuterium and tritium

    Deuterium is stable. Tritium decays by emitting a low energy electron so if you're carrying a big chunk in your pocket it might sterlize you at worst. Rain water contains tritium so it's not like the world can't cope with it.

    The main byproduct of nuclear fusion is helium-4 which hardly qualifies as radioactive waste.

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  7. Re:Holy grail of energy? by LionMan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Harnessing energy release is what all generators are about. It's not the release of energy that is difficult, but the efficient release and harness.
    Coal/oil/gas generators all generally heat water, turning it into steam, spinning a turbine to produce mechanical energy which is converted to electricity through induction.
    Fission also releases massive amounts of heat energy which is absorbed by water and turns a turbine.
    The majority of energy in these fusion reactions (Inertial confinement fusion (laser driven), magnetic confinement fusion (in a tokamak), electrically pulsed like in this article) leaves the system in the kinetic energy of the resulting particles. For example, Deuterium and Tritium are often fused yielding normal Helium and a neutron. Both are moving very fast after the fusion. This velocity is where most of the energy of fusion is. You can capture this again by letting the fast particles transfer their energy to a big resorvoir which would heat up from this energy transfer and again heat water to steam to turn a turbine.
    With matter-antimatter collisions, the gamma rays would have to be absorbed by some matter, which energizes the matter, either thermally or electrically (that's how solar cells work - by liberating electrons by light interaction) or some other means I can't think of.
    But you have to find the antimatter first :)

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  8. More accurate energy numbers. by Christopher+Thomas · · Score: 4, Informative
    It turns out I'd overestimated the energy numbers (but the Fusor page linked by the parent drastically underestimates them).

    From http://home.earthlink.net/~jimlux/nuc/reactions.ht m:

    • D+T 13.6 keV
    • D+D 15 keV
    • D+He3 58 keV
    • p+Li6 66 keV
    • p+B11 123 keV


    Good luck getting your hands on tritium. Deuterium can be bought, or produced yourself with patience. Other reactions have very high threshold energies.

    Note that this energy still isn't enough to penetrate the Coulomb barrier - it's the best tradeoff point between getting the particles close together and keeping them nearby long enough for there to be a reasonable chance of quantum tunnelling taking you through the barrier. So, most collisions will still just cause scattering.

    Also note that any system involving a lot of scattering becomes Maxwellian (has a Maxwell-style temperature distribution). The fusor functions best in non-Maxwellian regimes. When the plasma thermalizes, it gets much colder due to the presence of cold ions (or cold, neutral molecules) from the source gas.
  9. It's not that simple ... by stwrtpj · · Score: 4, Informative
    Why would we content with helium as output? Ok, as a first step, lets get there first, but would it be relatively easy to produce heavier elements than helium? Elements which are rare and expensive to mine?

    It's not as simple as that. The temperatures and pressures needed to fuse helium into heavier elements is several magnitudes above what is needed to fuse hydrogen into helium. The energy expenditures needed would far outweigh the current cost of obtaining these elements.

    A good way to research the topic of fusion is to look up information on the formation and life cycle of stars, nature's fusion reactors. You'll find that as very massive stars age, they burn through their hydrogen fuel quickly. Once that's all used up, gravity threatens to collapse them, until temperature and pressure in the core raises to the point that fusion into heavier elements can happen.

    But then you'll see that the first steps of the heavier fusion processes create very common elements: carbon, oxygen, nitrogen. That's precisely why these elements are so abundant. By the time you get to elements even remotely rare, you're talking pressure and temps on astronomical scales. Finally, in the very massive stars, fusion can't go any further than iron, because after iron, fusion reactions no longer yield energy, but absorb energy. So after iron, it becomes an even more uphill battle.

    Most likely if we do ever manage to harness fusion, it will stop at helium, as that will serve our needs well.

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  10. The impact will be zilch. by dmaxwell · · Score: 4, Informative

    As long as the helium released is made of stable isotopes, it will have little to no effect. The Earth has insufficient gravity to retain either hydrogen or helium in significant quantities. The helium will basically waft away into space. If helium could be retained in the atmosphere Earth would be a gas giant.