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Rebuilding Iraq's Internet

Anselm writes "According to this article at Wired.com, "The war has left Iraq's Internet infrastructure in shambles. Now, a British ISP hopes to fund the reconstruction through sales of domain names ending in .iq." While I have no use for an IQ domain, the article does make me wonder: Should geeks around the world take the lead in getting Iraq back online?"

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  1. Why don't we... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Try and feed them first.

    1. Re:Why don't we... by broter · · Score: 3, Insightful

      We already tried that. It resulted in an attempted invasion of Kuwait, and the eventual (supposed) death of their president/dictator.

      Hmmmm.... Yes, I see the bug right here. If we just pass in the food PCs and cars with out the associated weapons, dual purpose items, and CIA intel, then it should run much better.

      Kinda like upgrading your server from Windows 3.1 to Windows NT 1.0 SP1

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    2. Re:Why don't we... by Cloud+9 · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Let me give you a scenario. Your village has been bombed, your house is destroyed, you've lost 2 sons and a leg from the war, and your fields have been razed.

      Which would you rather have RIGHT NOW, food or kazaa?

      I don't argue that rebuilding their communications infrastructure is a fantastic idea, LATER. Right now, it's probably more important that people don't starve waiting for it.

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    3. Re:Why don't we... by Iguanaphobic · · Score: 4, Insightful

      As far as the internet infrastructure... I think that's a little premature. That's like kicking the mob-rule out of Afghanistan and then debating what fashion designers to bring in to help the women with their new look

      Even the Afghani's have stopped hoping for U.S. assistance in rebuilding. Read the entire article and tell me how many references to the U.S. reconstruction efforts there are. Not like the promises weren't made. It may be different in Iraq though. They have oil.

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    4. Re:Why don't we... by Iguanaphobic · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Let me give you a scenario:

      You wake up in hospital with no arms, your entire family is dead and the guys who did it are playing Pinochle at an air base in Britain.

      You think you might be a wee bit pissed off?

      Or a shot at freedom and self-rule with a little assistance from America, Australia, Spain and Britain?

      Why would you care. You have no arms and everyone you loved is dead. I guess you could thank your lucky stars that they didn't use a GBU-31 to do it. Then you'd just be pink mist. Or maybe that would have been a blessing.

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    5. Re:Why don't we... by broter · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But those aren't the people who need the help.

      I disagree. From what I've heard (not much different from what many others have), every Iraqi will need aid. The restructuring of the government will likely disrupt much of the basic services that are required to live. In the short term, water and food delivery, medical supplies (that were taxed before hostilities broke out), and electricity. In the long term, local food production, a reliable law enforcement and judiciary, and (yes) a communication system.

      But it's rather silly to ignore work on the long term necessities while securing the short term goals. Many of the short term goals need the long term goals to work. Without law enforcement, distribution to the needy of food and water is difficult. And, yes, a communication infrastructure (not what the article is talking about at all) to coordinate local departments is essential.

      Some of these can be bandaided by the USUK forces in the region, but movement to a permanent system in important.

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    6. Re:Why don't we... by daviddennis · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, we really don't know what they want. Democracy enables us to ask them.

      Democracy is a way to enable them to select what they want through their evaluation of competing proposals. It is theoretically compatible with anything from libertarian capitalism to an Islamist freakshow or the worst forms of ossified socialism.

      I suspect they will choose capitalism, since Islamism has been tried unsuccessfully in both Afghanistan and Iran, both times with very poor results, and ossified socialism is remarkably similar to what the Baath party advocates. But that's not saying that we will force them to make that decision; they will make up their own minds.

      And that's the beauty of Democracy. We aren't imposing anything on them; we are giving them the tools to select what pleases them.

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  2. Come one by Joshuah · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Boo freakady who. Iraq has so many other problems right now. Why dont geeks send MONEY, FOOD to local companies like CARE that help the people of Iraq. By providing food, 100% of the people can use it. how many iraq's have a computer much less have ever been online? Yeah, in a year or two from now, when people are feed and they are dying for disesases, then worry abou rebuilding the internet systems...

    1. Re:Come one by Xerithane · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Boo freakady who. Iraq has so many other problems right now. Why dont geeks send MONEY, FOOD to local companies like CARE that help the people of Iraq. By providing food, 100% of the people can use it. how many iraq's have a computer much less have ever been online? Yeah, in a year or two from now, when people are feed and they are dying for disesases, then worry abou rebuilding the internet systems...

      I'm sorry, but an ISP is not geared towards providing humanitarian aid. They are geared towards providing internet access. Is it a priority? Not really. Is it something for them to expand their market capital? Yup. Is it still a good thing? Yup.

      They are a business, that is doing business things, in a business world, to enhance their business. This is like getting upset that Microsoft is not going to send all of their resources and money for food and aid.

      Businesses make money. That's what they do. In fact, it's almost the very definition of "business." All the threads saying that it's not a priority, you are right. This isn't about a priority. This is about a business venture.

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  3. First things first by igaborf · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Should geeks around the world take the lead in getting Iraq back online?

    Yes, because, God knows, getting on the 'Net is every Iraqi's first priority at the moment.

  4. IQ domains? How does it help? by cmburns69 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How does this help the Iraqi people? All this does is give the rest of the world more domain space, while not giving Iraq the full value of their "property".

    Why couldn't it be an Iraqi company that sells the domains? This would allow the country to keep all of the proceeds, instead of only getting some of the value.

    I'm not against the UK, the US, France or anybody, but I think this might be one area where this company is being opportunistic.

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  5. Won't work by LowneWulf · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Doesn't rebuilding the Internet in Iraq require other critical resources first?

    You know.... like ELECTRICITY?

    Seriously, this is pathetic! Basically some company trying to profit off selling country code domain names to sites not in the country, while there's still too much chaos for anyone inside the country to take notice!

  6. knowledge is power by e2d2 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No one said they should spend the money they receive for food and health instead on Internet access. They simply want to build the Internet infrastructure in Iraq into something that can be used by the masses. I would say freedom of information coincides quite nicely with the coalitions effort to build Iraq into a land free people. Pulling these people out of the knowldege embargo imposed by Saddam Hussein and his regime will help freedom survive in an area of the world that is known for it's denial of free information to citizens. Knowledge _IS_ power. When Iraqi citizens can get equal acess to information they can see other side of the coin, instead of the state controlled side only. Why do you think so many totalitarian governments want to control the Internet access to their countries (CHINA)? So it does coincide with the freedom initiative quite well.

    Besides you have to start the plans now to rebuild if you want to get it done later. This type of rebuilding is going to last a lifetime and take a tremendous amount of planning and effort.

    1. Re:knowledge is power by jefu · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Clearly things like food, water, medical support, electricity need to be the top priority.

      But I'd say that access to information and freedom of speech/press are also essential parts of a healthy democratic society - and I'd even suggest that the lack of such is usually a major factor in the survival of totalitarian regimes. It is not coincidence that early symptoms of a government in the process of becoming fascist include restrictions on what people can say and to whom, the construction of an information monitoring infrastructure to spy on what people are thinking, and increasing numbers of things (rules, groups and the like) which are maintained as secrets.

      Selling ".iq" domain names though is just a transparent way for some company with no other products worth selling to make a quick buck or three.

      Somehow though, seeing things like the Patriot Act and Patriot II, I doubt that the current administration has any more interest in supporting free speech in Iraq than they do in the US.

      <personal-odd-note>
      I suggested rather a while back that it might be an interesting alternative to war to find an effective way to increase free speech in Iraq (and Afghanistan) by building and distributing simple/cheap internet access devices along with a robust network and sufficient encryption to foil attempts by the totalitarian governments to block/intercept communications. Undoubtedly a completely crazy notion. But I look at what must be done to produce and maintain a stable democratic government and believe that education and freedom of speech are surely essentials. So I wonder if its probably not more effective to try to make a totalitarian regime difficult to maintain (or to build) than to need to destroy it afterwards. (Isn't it generally cheaper to provide vaccinations than to have to cure a disease?)
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  7. We need to stop the profiteering by JoeBuck · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If people in the US and the UK value their lives, they will resist the impulse to try to turn Iraq into a colony that is run for corporate profit. (And yes, that's what this is, even though these guys are masquerading as a charity: they intend to take a cut from selling the "high.iq" domain). Iraq's domain namespace belongs to the Iraqi people, not to a clever British IT consultancy. Similarly, the decision as to whether to deploy GSM or CDMA belongs to the future Iraqi government, not to a congressman in the pocket of Qualcomm. Next, we'll see a bunch of Midwestern farmers clamor to get the government to buy up their grain and dump it on Iraq, thereby setting back efforts to rebuild Iraqi agriculture (which employs far more Iraqis than the oil industry does).

    We're now at a tipping point: we can either insist that Iraq be run in the interest of Iraqis, or we can allow it to be taken over by a bunch of cronies and lobbyists. If the latter happens, we'll generate so much hate that it will be unsafe for Americans and Brits to travel abroad.

  8. The .iq TLD.. by molo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The .iq TLD should belong to the people of Iraq. They should have the final say as to who gets access to it. Selling it off like .tv and .cx today would basicly mean that this ISP is taking advantage of these people because their government is in shambles. Shame on them.

    -molo

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  9. Re:Dont expect a huge jump. by Joey7F · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Let's not forget that Iraq is not Afghanistan. It is a "modern" country that had a scumbag for a leader.

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    I am using modern in the context of the Middle East, it is not modern by Western European or American standards.

  10. do what you can the best you can by forgetmenot · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I don't understand the sentiment of posters who complain that this is a dumb idea because they need help with food/water first, etc... blah.

    The best way to help the Iraqi's is to contribute whatever you can the best you can. If you're a skilled IT professional who can donate time to help rebuild their IT infrastructure.. GREAT! Why should anybody be complaining about that?

    Sure they need food. But there are PLENTY of agencies that can help with that and if you can donate some money to that cause, wonderful. It shouldn't stop you from contributing your niche knowledge too.

    When it comes to hands on skill I'll bet the vast majority of the /. readers wouldn't be able to physically help deliver meal packets or dig wells (ay least not as ably as the Red Cross or United Way could), so why not do something else that you CAN do?

    As a community the readership does have a skill in a particular industry and to suggest that the Iraqis won't need that kind of help because of other problems is nonsense. The sooner everyone does what they can according to their abilities the sooner we'll all be better off.

  11. damn people! by Ender+Ryan · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Why is it that every other post is some self-righteous tirade about how Iraq has so many other problems right now that people shouldn't be concerned about things like this.

    Sure, they need food and safe water first, but there is a future in Iraq that people can think and talk about. There's already huge aid packages being put together.

    Iraq needs an economy in order to become self-sufficient. Things like this ARE going to be important. Let's try to make Iraq into a prosperous country.

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  12. Geeks Without Borders? I'd go. by Gray · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Just last night I was listening to the shopping list of problems at Baghdad hospitals right now and thought to myself "well, I'm no help with that, but if they've got IT problems, I'd go help."

    I realize there are far bigger issues in the conflict, and the world; but as another poster said, I'm a lot better at fixing technology then at fixing people or giving away food.

    I'm not sure if there really is a requirement for an IT Peace Corp, but it's a nice idea. Post-war nerd squad to setup communications infrastructure. Internet, TV, radio, cell phones, we can do all that stuff.

    Geeks Without Borders. Attractive idea.

  13. Re:The US should rebuild Iraq by minaguib · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm not sure if you were being sarcastic or not. But, YES. The US acted on the will of its people through their represented officials. It is the people who drilled themselves into this dillema; they financed an unneeded war out of their own pockets causing an astounding debt to accumulate. Surely they would have anticipated that Iraq will need money once the war is over and have taken that into account! The responsibility for re-building Iraq to a state equal to, or better than it's previous state is the sole responsibility of the United States and it's allies that joined the war. Everyone who had nothing-to-do-with it has already absolved themselves of both the guilt associated with the unneeded deaths, the financial requirements of war, and responsibility of the betterment of that country's future. It's simple common sense and fairness.

  14. This is morally reprehensible. by Dagmar+d'Surreal · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is absolutely disgusting. These people are clearly taking advantage of someone else's (Iraq's) misfortune to try and make a buck. This group does not already control the .iq domain, but they know that if they can steal it, it'll be like having a licence to print money. Absolutely nothing is being said on their website about how much of this money they're collecting would actually be going to Iraq, and frankly, I suspect that "paying big salaries at Citri" will somehow also be considered to be an important part of the general welfare of Iraq's IT infrastructure.

    Let's see, there's also the small matter of it's not necessarily the desire of the Iraqi people that their domain space be sold off to people outside Iraq. For all we know, they could want a more conservative approach to be taken with it, and have it only be allowed for use by companies and organizations that reside within Iraq.

    From their web page:

    "The auction is set to continue over an intense two month period, after which funds will be called upon from the winners of each bid, and registrations formalised."

    Translation:
    s/auction/looting/;

    "In the case that a registration is not successful, no funds will be charged, unless the individual wishes to make a donation to the fund."

    Translation:
    "If the piles of money offered for domains doesn't change the minds of the people in the IANA and get us Iraq's domain, then you won't be out a penny."