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Investigating the RIAA's Billion-Dollar Claims

zrosener writes "I've put together a site with a lot of information on the cases. I created diagrams and explanations of the file sharing systems these students created that the RIAA is suing them for - and how they are functionally and technically very similar to Microsoft's tools built right into windows, and how they are dissimilar from Napster's." Good detective work.

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  1. Tuition's bad enough! by E.+T.+Alveron · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The recording industry is losing (has lost) its main distribution channel to a much more efficient one.

    Tuition's high enough these days--there's no need for RIAA to go after these kids' with lasers strapped to their lawyers' heads... I wouldn't mind paying for SACD-quality recordings, if only I could buy them easily and efficiently (read: online, one click at a time).

    1. Re:Tuition's bad enough! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Read also, dirt cheap. What does what you talked about have to do with tuition price.

      You cheap bastard

      If they offered exactly what you ask for for $1.50/track (still much better than having to buy a $15 CD with 10 sounds just to get the 3 you want), you'd still pirate them and say they're only worth $1. Then if it's $1, you'd say it's only worth 50 cents.

    2. Re:Tuition's bad enough! by Sad+Loser · · Score: 4, Insightful


      The other thing is that now media is so cheap, it may just force people to swap CDs and DVDs with their ripped music.

      While this has always happened, it has not been the mode of choice. At least with the p2p networks, they could monitor them and do something about the worst excesses. Maybe they could even have worked out a way of taxing the university for the amount of fileswapping. This would have made the university admins keep things under control.

      By forcing this activity further underground, they will have even less idea how much is going on

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    3. Re:Tuition's bad enough! by Moofie · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So, if you do something that a corporation has purchased a law to deem illegal, you (the "offender") lose all rights to, say, freedom from cruel and unusual punishment?

      How is a $1bn dollar punitive fine anything other than cruel and unusual?

      Oh, wait. The RIAA is doing this to several people, making it cruel and usual, which is much better.

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  2. might be useful for the defence by a7244270 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Well, I haven't been able to read your site, as the server of course has been slashdotted, but I gather you have collated a list of similarities between the software in questions, and (legal) software which has already been out for a while.

    Given that you made the effort to prepare this work, I suggest that you take it the final step and send it to the lawyers in charge of defending the students against this lawsuit by the RIAA, or if they have none yet, try to get it to their hands.

    Oh, one more thing. You might want to send it anonymously; you never know, you might be sued next. (I'm only half-joking).

  3. Been tried before to no effect by infonography · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Pete Wilson, Ex-Gov California claimed a billions for all the Illegal Aliens syphoning off California's wealth before his cronies could get to it. It was tossed, this will be too. However it does tend to make people think twice, while they will win, the RIAA will make them drain their bank accounts for legal fees. Defense funds will form and they too will suffer. The idea is to make everyone in favor of trading suffer somehow. Even if they lose this time the next time there will be fewer willing to donate. The Artists need to understand the the Record companies are not their friends. The make more without the even if they don't have a gold record

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  5. Yeah Look at the article by MushMouth · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There are a lot of problems with Albini's article. One is that he lists a fairly good selling band as example, a poor selling band (and there are much much more of them than ones that are in Albini's words "hits") would end up costing their company money (only 10,000 copies sold, still quite a few, and the company is in the hole $700,000), even though the band ends up with their advance and publishing money (they do get publishing money, in Albini's case the song writers get $.07 per song per album sold minus ascap fees, if we assume 10 songs then the writers are getting $150,000). So really the bottom line assuming entire band write all the songs should read $400,000/(number of members in the band). Another thing that Albini's rant quite starkly portrays is that touring looses money, in this case $875.00. Thats right you go on the road (and work very hard) you end up with less money at the end. Thus the idea that the recordings should be free and people should only be paid to perform simply doesn't fly. What Albini was trying to say here is that Big Record Companies (eg Warner, Sony) are a rip off, and Small Artist Run Places (in this case specifically Touch And Go, I think he was pissed about the Butthole Surfers going to Warner) will make the artist more money. Ask Albini what he thinks of Shawn Fanning or the like getting rich on the backs of Slint, Low, Big Black, The Pixies, or even Bush and he will tell you another story.