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Analyzing the Microsoft Tablet PC

An anonymous reader writes "ZDNet UK has an amusing - but accurate in my view - review of the Microsoft Tablet PC. It may not be the first, but it is the most incisive because of the way it dissects the many fundamental flaws in Microsoft's latest creation."

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  1. This is not a Tablet PC!!! by stevel · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've seen lots of posts complaining that the Slashdot editors aren't paying attention to what they post, and for the most part I just laugh and move on. But here's an egregious example - the web page referenced is indeed a review of the ViewSonic V150 AirPanel, but a Microsoft Tablet PC it is not. Rather, this is a "Mira" remote display device that requires a separate Windows XP system that actually runs the programs.

    The anonymous contributor can perhaps be forgiven for making the error, but the editors should know better. Perhaps the editors need to first count to ten (or a hundred) the next time they want to post a "Microsoft is lame" article?

    1. Re:This is not a Tablet PC!!! by stevel · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes - a wireless monitor.

    2. Re:This is not a Tablet PC!!! by CerebusUS · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is horrible. Taco, edit the hell out of the original listing or just remove it all together. The review is NOT about a tablet pc.

    3. Re:This is not a Tablet PC!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Taco is an idiot and doesn't read the articles, let alone the posts. He'll never see this message. Don't bother trying to do a job that he can't be bothered to do.

      If you want real news, go to a real news site with *journalists*, not idiots who post whatever shows up in their email, without bothering to read the actual articles or check for dupes.

    4. Re:This is not a Tablet PC!!! by cristofer8 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The article is also rather uninformed. The author complains about the need for windows pro xp, without realizing that the technology the smart displays use does not exist in any other windows os, besides nt terminal server edition and windows 2000 advanced server.

      Also, he complains about the single user problem, and while that is an ms-introduced limitation, it's been present in xp pro since day 1.

      Finally, in his conclusion, he complains about this being a rehashing of old technology. Perhaps it's slightly old technology (rdp has been around for a few years, as has 8.02.11b, as has an rdp client for wince) but no one has ever put them together. I saw a rumor for this sort of product about a year ago, but with an apple logo on it. Microsoft has already released it. It is new, it is a novel idea, and coupled with lower prices and a more media-centric connected pc, this could be a huge boon to home users.

      Off topic, but imagine instead of a small remote to control your media pc, a 12 or 10 inch lcd panel with a stylus that could even display everything on your tv. Guide in your hand with a live-video preview of the channel you're thinking of switching to, while the tv still shows the last channel. Modify your party's playlist while the tv still shows a visualization, all without leaving the couch. It's not quite there, but the idea is amazing.

  2. Who is the target consumer for this P.O.S. ? by MrCaseyB · · Score: 5, Insightful

    After reading the review, this thing sounds like a nightmare.

    I don't get it, it costs more then a basic laptop, its much more difficult to setup, it has a very slow processor compare to a lappy, and it doesnt do nearly as much as a laptop.

    This reminds me of those portable personal DVD players. They cost about $1000 for a 7" screen and all it does is play DVDs, for the same price you could buy a notebook computer with a 14" screen that plays DVDs and does a whole lot more.

    This isnt some easy to use Internet Appliance like the i-opener, it is not priced like one, so just who is this targeted towards?

    I would love a tablet PC, I hope they get better and better and cheaper. This appears to be pretty worthless though.

  3. Pile of crap by Nikkos · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Has a processor, an OS, and memory, but needs a host-pc to run?

    It requests that you change your OS to a particular version?

    No, it's not really a TabletPC, but it's still something I'd never subject myself to.

    Nikkos

  4. Not a Tablet PC by jkichline · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think this review is VERY biased. For one, its not even a Tablet PC as defined by Microsoft. A tablet PC is a fully functional computer, period. In fact, I just got a Toshiba Portege Tablet PC and use it frequently in tablet mode (it converts to laptop mode for all the wienies that cry about using a pen). Its handwriting recognition is second to none, able to read cursive and messy hand writing. Voice recognition is really good as well, though I am sure there are better products available.

    It has builtin WiFi and Bluetooth, 1.4 Gb P3, %12 Mb RAM, and a 40 Gb hard drive. Its a computer and very well adapted to the medical and sales professions.

    In all, my experience has been very good with tablet pcs and I wonder when the open source community is going to think about developing such a product. If the open source community does not begin innovating instead of playing catchup to microsoft, it will never succeed. Here is something (the tablet pc) completely new that everyone I show asks "where do I sign to get one"? All of the features are there but the price is still a bit steep. But you have to recoop R+D.

    In my opinion these panel things are gay. Tablet PCs rock. Where are the voice recognition and handwriting recognition in the open source community? Are there any efforts? Are we going to let microsoft reinvent the pc while we sit back and simply say... ah... they'll pull it in a year. BTW, they spent millions in R+D and they are not going to simply kill it. They may thorw millions into marketing though which they haven't yet.

    Do your homework before advocating decisions for the open source community.

  5. Gads, the trouble MS has to go through by wowbagger · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Reading the lengths to which you must go to get a remote display on your Windows machine amazes me.

    Give me the same basic hardware, but rip WinCE out and put a lightweight X server into it, and I could remote the display on my workstation without any software changes on it at all (except perhaps for adding a line to my X0.hosts file).

    AND if the table spoke SSH, I wouldn't even have to do that.

    AND the fact that I could also redirect the displays of my SGI, my other server, my service monitor, and anything else that spoke X Windows system protocol.

    For all you naysayers who poop-poo the need for network transparency in your GUI, I say:

    BEHOLD

    1. Re:Gads, the trouble MS has to go through by crawling_chaos · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Or you could do it three to four times as fast as a X server with VNC tunneling through SSH. The network transparency of X is not required to make this work.

      I don't run remote X apps anymore. VNC is just plain faster. It's also cross platform, and free.

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    2. Re:Gads, the trouble MS has to go through by wowbagger · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That would depend upon the nature of the app you are running - if you are running simple text apps X protocol is MUCH faster because all that gets sent across the link is "Draw this text in this font at this location", not a bunch of pixels.

      Granted, if you have some app that is doing XRender on the client side then VNC might be faster, but that is as much the app's fault as the protocol.

      Run a tcpdump (or better still use Ethereal) and watch what your favorite apps do.

  6. Thanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I can always count on slashdot for the fairest and most accurate reviews of Microsoft products!

  7. Re:Er by MisterFancypants · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Most of the flaws in the article don't sound like REAL flaws to me, but rather misinterpretation of what the system is supposed to do.

    This is a remote desktop for home users, not an Ellison-like "Network Computer" for the business enviornment. Sadly, the reviewer reviewed it as if that were what it was trying to be.

  8. Re:despite the article.... by AzrealAO · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You were block printing single words and short phrases to test the recognizer, weren't you? Seriously, write in cursive, and write alot. Block Printing is hard for the recognizer to work with, because it's a ton of tiny little strokes. Cursive on the other hand is a hell of a lot easier for the recognizer to work with, not to mention the fact that the recognizer combines spell check/grammar check into it's routine. Thus if you're writing long sentences that makes sense, rather than short little block printed words, the accuracy goes WAY up.

  9. Hasty by reelbk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In their haste to bash Microsoft, both the anonymous submitter and the slashdot editor failed to notice that the article doesn't even review a tablet pc. This is what slashdot has come to...

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  10. Now on PROFESSIONAL news sites... by TrollBridge · · Score: 3, Insightful
    ...corrections/retractions are posted when the information given is inaccurate, no matter the source.

    I'd have a lot more respect for the editors if they'd just come out and admit their mistakes (dupes, inaccuracies).

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  11. "most incisive" == "most anti-MS" by GCP · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Not only did he label it a review of the Tablet PC, but he certainly must have read it closely because he declared it the "most incisive" review so far.

    Of course, since it's not even a review of the Tablet PC at all, incisiveness must simply be a synonym for "critical of MS", as in "Slashdot posts are almost uniformly incisive."

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