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Cell Phone Encryption?

Black Diamond asks: "I know I'm not up to speed on cell phone encryption, but I was wondering, are there any cell phones that let you handle the encryption from your end of things? Something along the lines of a phone you hook up to your computer to input specific encryption keys for specific contacts, as well as a private key for yourself. Is such a thing plausible, or should you trust the standard encryption that comes on some cell phones nowadays?"

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  1. Similar to PGPfone... by Chasing+Amy · · Score: 3, Informative

    This isn't exactly what you're asking about, but the closest thing I can think of offhand would be PGPfone--a product abandoned years ago for encrypting voice communications much as PGP encrypts text.

    There are both binaries and source code available here: http://www.pgpi.org/products/pgpfone/

    Windows and Mac only, and it's a very crude app... It would be nice for someone to develop something more robust and with better features.

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  2. legal phone tapping by martin · · Score: 2

    This would prevent law enforcement agencies tapping the signal.

    There has to be way of 'wire tapping' any comms system according to various laws around the world so the 'good guys' can listen to the 'bad guys' (court orders etc needed).

    The has been alot of stuff on the UK on this (cf ukcrypto list), the cryptos used and how it was weakened to enable 'legal' phone tapping to occur.

    1. Re:legal phone tapping by shakah · · Score: 3, Interesting
      This would prevent law enforcement agencies tapping the signal.
      Strictly speaking, LEA's could still "tap", encryption would just make it more difficult to make sense of the captured voice stream (in the case of a voice intercept, that is). And even with "user encryption", you could still service "pen register" and "trap and trace" warrants (basically timestamped records of who called who).

      Furthermore, though I can't find the reference now, I remember reading that carriers are permitted to offer "unreversible" encryption on their networks (i.e. if they are able to decrypt the communication they have to do it when faced with an appropriate warrant, but if they can't they are still in compliance with CALEA).

  3. GSM phones encrypt anyway by wowbagger · · Score: 2, Informative

    GSM (and PCS) phones encrypt the traffic anyway (at least they do outside the USA).

    That is one of the big advantages of digital cellular modes over older, analog cellular modes - the ease of adding encryption.

    However, if you want to throw another layer on top of this, it gets more difficult - since digital phones take the audio signal and vocode it, you cannot just scramble your voice and feed it in - the vocoder won't know what to do with it and won't encode it properly. You would have to inject your signal after the vocoder but before the Viterbi/Trellis coding.

  4. data encryption?? by stonebeat.org · · Score: 2, Informative

    i m not sure, what you are trying to ask, but that is not going to stop me from answering your question. :)

    Are you asking about encrypting the data stored on your fone? or encrypting the data transfer between your fone and your service provider?

    If it is a Pocket PC /Palm OS based cell phone, then there are some encryption apps out there that can help you. Here are some links:
    http://www.pointsec.com/core/default.asp
    http://www.softwinter.com/sentry_ce.html
    http://w ww.f-secure.com/wireless/pocketpc/pocketpc -fc.shtml

    However good encryption/decryption take up lots of CPU power, so I dont know how feasible it is to ecrypt all the data on your cell phone.

  5. Re:Some thoughts from a ham by nbvb · · Score: 3, Informative

    Correct, CDMA is spread-spectrum and the encryption is relatively difficult to crack.

    Nobody's been able to demonstrate real-time listening capabilities (yet).

    But it is a well-known fact that the law enforcement guys have taps at the cellular switches, so they just plug into the call before it goes to hardwire -- they don't even bother trying to listen out of the air, and why should they? It's a lot easier to listen at the switch .........

    Now, as for GSM, its encryption is definitely crackable in realtime... In fact, there have been industrial espionage problems across the English channel because of this .... go look it up :)

  6. Re:GSM phones encrypt anyway - NOT by Splork · · Score: 4, Interesting

    No they don't.

    (a) Both GSM and CDMA encryption are flawed and can be broken.

    (b) It doesn't matter if the encryption is bad, all GSM phones listen for a single bit from the tower they're communicating with that tells it if it should encrypt or not. It is trivial for anyone with the resources to eavesdrop on a digital phone call to setup their own fake tower to tell your phone to turn encryption off.

    (c) so what if mobile phones encrypt, phone lines that they connect to don't.

    never trust commercial "encryption" to be anything more than the magic decoder ring from your cerial box wrapped in a DMCA wrapper calling anyone that points out that its made of cheap injection molded plastic an information terrorist.

  7. Re:GSM phones encrypt anyway - NOT by wowbagger · · Score: 4, Informative

    It is trivial for anybody with the resources to build a faster than light drive, too - for some definitions of "with the resources".

    It would depend upon whom this guy wishes to protect his conversations against - J. Random Carbonunit or Special Agent TLA.

    If the former, than the encryption used in GSM is enough - few people have the gear to modulate and demodulate a GSM signal with proper time slotting, time of flight correction, etc. Making a GSM signal is HARD - I build gear that does it.

    If the latter, then they won't screw around picking the signal off the air - they will throw a CALEA intercept on his phone when it hits the PTSN. Then the only thing that can protect him would be VERY strong encryption seperate from the phone - which as I said in my first posting is difficult due to the nature of digital phones.

    Lastly, if he is trying to protect himself from Special Agent TLA, encrypting his signal like this won't help - it will just raise a big red flag saying "Look At Me! I Am Hiding SomeThing!". He would be far better served making an innocuous word code and using that.

  8. Re:Some thoughts from a ham by ForestGrump · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As for using your phone as a modem, it can seem workable.

    With today's bleeding edge technology: I was just looking at the sprint wireless site, and found this pdf on one of the laptop modem cards.
    http://www1.sprintpcs.com/media/Assets/Equ ipment/H andsets/pdf/yisocf2031.pdf
    It claims to have a total baud of 230.4 bps
    recieve at 153.6 and sent at 76.8
    Although this is the maximum baud, and the speed is changeable.
    (so theortically you get, but in reality...)
    These plans start at $100/mo with 300 MB data, or $120 with unlimited data.

    From my personal expierence: Simply, data was too expensive for me- 7 dollars a month charge, 7 cents a minute- and I suffered for two weeks without internet while waiting for the DSL modem to ship. However, I did look into it before.

    I currenetly use Cingular (Pac Bell) Wireless.
    The phone manufacturer claims they are able to acheive 56k speeds, but Cingular claims 9.6kps due to network conditions (and time slots avialable).

    I'm, pretty sure Sprint (or any other carrier) would limit your max speeds- just like dsl/cable modem providers do. So although the claim is 230k/s, your not really gonna get that kind of thruput.

    So, unless your super paainoid (mafia) and have cash to burn (mafia), go for it!

    I'm going to stick to my $35/mo basic calling plan.

    73s
    KG6....
    (feeling parinoid)

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  9. Low-tech method by extra88 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I just do a Darth Vader imitation and speak in Pig Latin. Since I started doing this I haven't been hassled by The Man once!

  10. It is possible, and it is real by kousik · · Score: 5, Informative

    But not in the form you say. There exist chips which will do a Diffie-Hellman exchange to set up a secret key, and then do AES encryption on the whole conversation. Comes as a Sony-Ericsson accessory.

    Of course, lack of standard make these chips non-interoperable (not encryption/decryption but key management). Once it becomes popular standards need to emerge.

  11. ...with the resources... by OwnerOfWhinyCat · · Score: 2, Informative

    I've used some of the gear you build and I can't see how this is trivial by any measure.

    Unless you enjoy designing custom analog/digital hardware, there is just no way you're going to override the single byte in a stream that selects clear encoding, and then just listen to a clear channel conversation. The "man in the middle" attack is your only hope for using off the shelf toys. You'll need proper amps., a sharply directional antenna, and GSM phone-test-set that will exchange two-way pcm data with sufficient programability to allow you to emulate the mark's usual carrier signature, and a GSM test phone that outputs it's received PCM data in digital format so you don't have to go analog to digital again (which would sound atrocious given the kinds of compression involved).

    Assume you could get these things, expand their capabilities and get them to communicate smoothly, you still wouldn't get the right caller ID unless you intercepted the challenge going to your test phone SIM from the carrier and repeated it to the mark's phone so you could be seen as having his IMSI. That would be yet another awesome hack to your credit.

    And then of course you'd have to follow conspicuously closely to keep the mark from stepping behind something that blocked your signal (extra power won't help much in the microwave band).

    Until we all start using it, encrypting your voice signal would certainly just shout "I'm hiding something."

    If you want one of these conversations from your GSM phone, I'd go somewhere where they had GPRS or another GSM enabled data access method and send seriously encrypted VOIP traffic. If you want stealth, pick a location where you can get multiple GPRS timeslots (some phones support up to 128k bits) and package your voice in an encrypted stream like SSH. No one would think it unusual for a computer geek to ssh into his server from the field. The fact that one of your socket connections was a VOIP stream wouldn't be externally detectable.

  12. cheap answer by Enrico+Pulatzo · · Score: 2, Funny

    just learn Navajo. Works for some people.

  13. Motorola by kruczkowski · · Score: 3, Informative

    I know that Motorola just released an addon to a off-the-slef phone that adds comsec.

    From what I understand, phones with this devices are aproved by NSA for secret transmittions.

    Doing a google seach I came up with this:

    http://www.cellular.co.za/phones/generaldynamics /g eneral_dynamics_sectera_secure.htm

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