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Patent Office Shows Record Backlog

acroyear writes "WTOP, 1500am, a news radio station in the DC area, is reporting that the Patent Office Is Seeing Record Backlog, with 2 years for a patent now, and potentially 4 years to wait by decade's end, and the PTO is considering a 15% increase in filing fees. Personally, I think if they had set a trend of actually rejecting patents that don't belong, they'd have sent enough of a message to keep application numbers to a reasonable level; right now, everybody files because just about everything can get one."

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  1. Yeah... by CrazyDuke · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yeah, and us poor schmucks who can't afford several grand in expences have to get a corporation to help and hope they don't screw us. Too bad I can't make any money off of these ideas I have. Innovation my ass.

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    1. Re:Yeah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful


      Patents are meant to protect actual entrepeneurs, not just people that sit around in their parents' basement and "invent things". Once upon a time, the Patent Office required an actual working prototype instead of just Powerpoint slides.

      If you're one of those guys that likes to file a zillion applications for vague ideas and then hope to sue someone else that actually produces an independent product ten years later, I have no sympathy for you. You could at least look on your few grand as an investment in your extortion scheme.

      And if you have a useful idea and can actually put it into production, you'll need to start a company. A few grand for a patent application is peanuts compared to the cost of actually making anything out of some idea. Very often, the idea itself isn't actually the important part; the execution is.

    2. Re:Yeah... by Xerithane · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Patents are meant to protect actual entrepeneurs, not just people that sit around in their parents' basement and "invent things". Once upon a time, the Patent Office required an actual working prototype instead of just Powerpoint slides.

      I have an idea I'm working on, hoping to get to the filing point within the end of the year. After building the prototype, I'll be out close to a grand. After filing, I'm looking at investing almost $8K on this idea. With only the hope that it will work.

      It is a major setback for inventors and entrepeneurs, as it gets rather difficult to do this without some decent backing. Luckily, I have a few people who like my idea and will be helping out after I show the prototype.

      It still is difficult to do, more so than it should. What I would like to see is that your first patent sets (for a specific project, limit to) should be provided free, then additional patents for a seperate project should be very expensive. You get a good, easy one shot for a good idea, and if it sucks, it's hard to do it the second time.

      And if you have a useful idea and can actually put it into production, you'll need to start a company. A few grand for a patent application is peanuts compared to the cost of actually making anything out of some idea. Very often, the idea itself isn't actually the important part; the execution is.

      To bring any idea to fruitation, you should look towards spending upwards of $10K. The sad part is, most of this is filing fees and seldom goes into building the actual device. After the prototype I can contract to a firm to make the devices for probably $100 a piece, and marketing will bring it to $150 (Or less, if I sell over ebay...) and I can easily make $50 profit on each item, assuming they sell.

      So, I have to sell approximately 100 before I even cover the filing fees. Great fucking deal.

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  2. Assumptions by RealityMogul · · Score: 5, Insightful

    everybody files because just about everything can get one

    Now we've all seen plenty of stories where stupid patents have been granted. But I don't think we're getting the entire picture. If they grant thousands of patents a year and we only see 20 stupid patent articles, then maybe they aren't doing the terrible job we're assuming they are. Maybe they are rejecting patents but we just don't hear about it because companies don't publicize their rejections.

    I'm not claiming to have first-hand knowledge of the USPO but it's food for thought.

    1. Re:Assumptions by Jerf · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually it's probably patent-worthy. Most physical things are nowadays.

      As long as the patent laws are being followed correctly, and the patent on those bags is not considered to be a patent on the entire concept of plastic bags, as software patents often are, there's nothing wrong. The idea of "plastic bags" is not patent worthy, but creating a bag that is cheap, strong, easy to manufacture, and generably usable is a challenge, and once someone puts in the effort to find a solution, they deserve the reward of first rights to market it.

      You'd be surprised at how much engineering goes into even the simplest of physical objects nowadays. One of my canonical examples is the turn signal stick; conceptually quite simple, but to make a cost-effective turn signal stick that is reliable over the lifetime of the car, which may used literally hundreds of thousands or millions of times, in a huge array of environmental conditions, with several controls on the stick ('toggle', up, down, often cruise control controls are placed on there), and which needs to be reliable (it's borderline life-or-death if it malfunctions badly enough; I nearly got whacked just two days ago by a car with its right turn signal on that was slowing down when it didn't mean to turn right; if it was on because it failed to reset correctly after a right turn the failure of the turn signal stick could have put me in the hospital), is quite difficult. As long as the patent office is just protecting that exact stick, the patents are OK in my book. It's not until they start granting a "patent" on the whole idea of a toggling stick that we start having trouble.

  3. Any other Fortune 500 employees? by interiot · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I work for a large corporation, and they encourage every employee to try to create 4 patent proposals a year. Coworkers have submitted many proposals, but I don't know in my local group who's gotten a patent all the way through... I don't konw how much rubber-stamping the USPTO is doing given that our legal department is rejecting 90%+ of our submissions.

  4. DAMMIT *I* INVENTED THE RECORD BACKLOG!!! by corebreech · · Score: 5, Funny

    Those bastards!

  5. The converse? by cybermace5 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We are so quick to rush to judgement. Perhaps even reversing cause and effect?

    Maybe the frivolous patents are a result of everyone bum-rushing the Patent Office. There might not be enough time to scrutinize every patent that comes in. Of course this encourages more frivolous patents, making it even harder for the Patent Office to give each patent its due care.

    It's an interesting tactic: flood the Patent Office with useless requests, making it impossible for individuals to get their life's work patented. The longer an invention remains unpatented, the better chance of duplicating and marketing someone's idea before they have the chance (because you have all the production capabilities already). Vague patents and lawyers can keep away those who decide to challenge, and most will probably accept a small settlement.

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  6. The government should create a "patent tax" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    That way, the filing fees can remain low, but valuable patents (which in theory may require more protection) will pay the government for that protection. Something like 1% of profits on the invention. So, a million dollar idea would get the government $10,000 in exchange for the patent protection. If your idea never makes you money (say over $1000), then you don't need to pay it.

  7. thousands by metalhed77 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    e. If they grant thousands of patents a year and we only see 20 stupid patent articles

    According to this http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/ac/ido/oeip/taf/u s_stat.pdf the US Govt granted 166,000 patents in 2001. It's quite amazing how many they have to go through.

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  8. Fee Schedule by WPIDalamar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think the way fees are done for the patent office should be changed. Something that rewards good patents, and penalizes bad ones.

    $patentCost = (some constant);

    while( patentIsRejected() )
    {
    $patentCost *= 2;
    }

    And then we need to reimplement patentIsRejected() to something like:

    1) flat-out-reject anything that's already patented.
    2) reject anything with prior art
    3) Have a QUALIFIED examiner spend some time looking it over.
    4) Have a certain public review periond (6 months?) that anyone can register complaints
    5) Review complaints (possible reject)
    6) Have another, different qualified examiner check it out for an extended period of time.

    1. Re:Fee Schedule by angle_slam · · Score: 4, Informative
      I think the way fees are done for the patent office should be changed. Something that rewards good patents, and penalizes bad ones.

      Good patents are already rewarded: they are enforceable and can be licensed. Bad patents can be challenged.

      1) flat-out-reject anything that's already patented.

      That is what the patent office does already.

      2) reject anything with prior art

      Already done.

      3) Have a QUALIFIED examiner spend some time looking it over.

      Examiners are assigned to the various units based on their qualifications. In other words, a chemist examines chemical patents, an electrical engineers examines circuit patents.

      4) Have a certain public review periond (6 months?) that anyone can register complaints

      That's the whole point of the publication process. Before 2000, patent applications remained secret until they were issued. Now, they are published 18 months after filing. The public can look at the applications and submit prior art references.

      5) Review complaints (possible reject)

      See above.

      6) Have another, different qualified examiner check it out for an extended period of time.

      All examiners have a supervisor.

    2. Re:Fee Schedule by ivan256 · · Score: 5, Informative

      2) reject anything with prior art

      Already done.


      NO IT'S NOT!

      I'm sick of people with no clue spouting this shit in slashdot comments and getting modded up to propagate this incorrect information.

      Repeat after me: You can patent things that have prior art.

      In fact, it's completely allowed and the prior art is usually documented right in the application. A patent does NOT mean the holder has exclusive rights to everything in the patent. It only gives them exclusive rights on the claims that exceed the prior art. Half the time I see people bitching about some silly patent on here, they fail to take this into account.

      Please people, before you go spouting off about prior art in patents, make sure you know what you're talking about and that you didn't get that information from a slashdot comment that was posted by somebody who could be a clueless toddler for all you know.

  9. What kind of ads to they use by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Got fired from your rebate handling job because you were too slow processing applications? Fear no more! Get a job at the patent office!

  10. How about fining companies for abuse by Cyclone66 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If you submit an excessive amount of 'frivolous patents you should get fined... a lot, or even better, your patents get reviewed with a lower priority until the 'quality' of the patents goes back up.

  11. So let me see if I have this straight... by bittmann · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From the article:


    Last year the office issued an average of more than 3,000 patents a week. It is one of the few federal agencies that brings in more money than it spends.

    Some of that money is siphoned off to other agencies _ more than $630 million since 1992.


    The Patent Office has a positive cash flow. They actually take in more in fees than they consume, with the excess being diverted to non-productive (from a patent standpoint, anyway) agencies.

    So, *of course* the only way for them to process more patents per time unit is to raise the fees.

    Yes, I do realize that there are most likely mitigating factors (dealing with problems of expansion, etc.) that come in to play, here, which would make a noticable jump in speed more expensive. But, initial inspection of the problem does tend to make me think "plow the profits back in to the organization. Make *more* profits that way. Remember: The more we process, the more we *generate* here..."

    Or could it possibly be an idea of "raise the fee enough to drive off all of these pesky little inventors...thus reducing our workload."

    Nah...they wouldn't think that way...would they?

  12. Please Remember this PTO Budget Reality by syntap · · Score: 4, Informative

    The PTO is a fully fee-funded organization. BUT... all the fees they collect go to Congress, who then gives back _A PORTION_ (100%) to the PTO for its operations. If the PTO were allowed to keep 100% of its current fees (without helping balance the rest of the Federal budget with them), the fees probably wouldn't have to go up.

  13. Patent #45560986 by A+Guy+From+Ottawa · · Score: 4, Funny

    For their sake I hope they don't let it get to the 4year mark...

    Patent #45560986 Granted to Guy F. Ottawa on April 1, 1999.

    Description:
    The process of providing a service to individuals (or businesses) who's end result is not conveyed for 4 years (1460 Days).

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    using System.Awesome;

  14. Small Entities already have a discount by angle_slam · · Score: 4, Informative
    Or a system where large companies pay more anyway. Stop penalising the little guy!!

    Small entities already pay less than large entities. For example, the filing fee for a small entity is only $375, compared to $750 for large entities. The definition of Small Entity is long, but, as a starting point, individuals and companies with fewer than 500 employees is considered a small entity.

  15. Most Patents are Useful by raehl · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm fairly involved in the paintball industry, and I've had occasion due to 10% need and 90% need to procrastinate to read/skim the vast majority of patents related to paintball.

    99% of them patent something useful in the industry. Maybe the USPTO drops the ball more often when it comes to software, but there's still a lot of patenting that goes on out there for just regular old "stuff"; genuine, true inventions. Even if you DID manage to find a way to prevent the frivolous patents from getting there in the first place, they're probably less than 5% of the total workload. Maybe 1 or 2%. Because patents are freaking expensive.

    Just keep in mind that the way Slashdot "News" articles can make the world look (Many events happen twice! ;)) may not necessarily be the way the world really is. I'm willing to bet that the backlog is 98% due to growth of the economy/country rapidly exceeding growth of staff at the USPTO.

  16. 65-70 percent business method patents rejected by MyNameIsFred · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Personally, I think if they had set a trend of actually rejecting patents that don't belong
    I understand the hatred of many business method patents. I believe they should not be allowed. However, according to this article 65 to 70 percent of business method patents are rejected. Up from a rejection rate of 30 to 35 percent.
  17. USPTO is a cash cow by cenonce · · Score: 4, Interesting

    People need to understand that the USPTO is a cash cow for the Feds. It made somewhere along the lines of 400 million dollars for the Feds in 2002.

    It has done that, in part, by actively encouraging the general public to file for both patent and trademark applications. It has implied to the public that it is easy to go through the application process. It also has a lopsided bonus structure for examiners that encourages quantity, not quality. While I was a trademark examiner, I could have made up to $20,000 per year in bonuses for the quantity of my work, but only about $3,000 dollars for the quality of my work. Does that make any sense if you do not want stupid patents and trademarks being issued!?!

    The USPTO has implemented a new strategic plan that will restructure how the PTO handles both patent and trademark applications. Most people in the field believe that this restructuring will increase pendency and decrease quality. You can read the PTO's annual reports and the 21st Century Strategic Plan"

    So it should be no surprise that filings are going way up and pendency is going way up along with it... and that more mistakes are made and more garbage gets through. It also should come as no surprise that the PTO has a vested interest in making sure people believe that they can file applications on their own. So it offers "online filing", "online searching" and other tools that are really a poor substitute for having a complete search done by an attorney (or a patent agent). There is no question that some people don't want to put out the money for a professional search, and are willing to chance the money they lose in filing fees. That's fine. There are also those who earnestly get the impression that all they have to do is "file an application" and they will get a registration. Like most things in life (and especially with the government), it rarely works that way.

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  18. Beuracracts can't determine novelty by nrrrdboy · · Score: 4, Informative

    03.02.26.we | Non-Novel Patents

    In addition to the alarm about the unruly expansion of copyright, an outcry over an offensive software or method patent is surfacing nearly every week now. But the storm is not yet upon us, these are merely the first chunky hail stones: it can, and probably will, get much worse.

    Patents are supposed to be novel, useful, and non-obvious. However, these are rather subjective criteria that require the discretion of knowledge, experience, and good judgment. Such attributes belong to those skilled in an art, not to bureaucratic institutions. (Witness how those administrative functions formerly administered by John Postel, a skillful and respected Internet elder, are now bungled by ICANN, the bureaucracy now responsible.) However, we have no great patent arbiter, only a governmental process and this has led to a focus on, and misunderstanding of, prior art by computer professionals.

    The question of novelty and non-obviousness is proxied by a mechanistic process of push and pull between a patent applicant and patent examiner. An examiner, on his own judgment, can not easily dismiss the application of a proprietary interest worth, potentially, millions of dollars. He can only ask, "how is your claim different than this prior art." Once this dance is done, a court is not likely to disregard the patent's novelty as documented in its file wrapper (the exchange between the applicant and examiner) and the resulting claims.

    In the narrowest construction, this process of emulating good judgment with respect to novelty and non-obviousness works: the resulting patent claims are more narrow than the initial application with respect to some existing works. But in the sense of promoting innovation and the "useful arts and sciences" of computer software and networking, it is a huge failure.

    As I've mentioned before, "Good technology, often created through simple processes, lends itself to applications unforeseen by its designers." As Lessig, in The Future of Ideas, amply demonstrates this principle is what makes the Internet and Web such an innovative force when as expressed as layered end-to-end architecture. To adopt his metaphor, our common roads permit arbitrary journeys; our private cars permit us to traverse our chosen paths. Much like the Internet and Web, there are no patents or controls on the roads that determine where you must go. (There are rules such as which side of the street to drive on, much like networking protocols, but these don't affect your destination.) It would be a shame to loose this flexibility, and this is just what the patent system encourages: claims that combine our common infrastructure and abilities in "novel" ways.

    It's as if roads and driving themselves are recognized as an important infrastructure and ability, but someone could patent using a car on a road to drive to my house. Is using a car on a road to drive to my house really that novel? The Patent and Trademark Office can not make this judgment well, it will only look for prior art of someone previously, explicitly, specifying this exact method in the past. Perhaps they will find the method of driving to my house that I've provided on the Web. The applicant might then amend their application such that they have a claim for a car, on the road, driven to my house using a stick shift, and a new claim for the same using automatic transmission. The claims have been narrowed and there is no previous exact d